Daniel Ricciardo has signed with Renault for 2019 | Page 8 | FerrariChat

Daniel Ricciardo has signed with Renault for 2019

Discussion in 'F1' started by nerofer, Aug 3, 2018.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

    Dec 19, 2003
    4,186
    Cheshire
    I did read the post re chassis performance. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Look back through F1 history. The dominant driver in the wet ends up being the dominant driver full stop. Ricci is pretty average in the wet. He wouldn’t be able to tell which way Max went. It’s no surprise that RB favour Max as he is the better raw material. If he can learn to control his temperament, he has a shot at being one of the greats. No one has ever said the same about Ricci.
     
  2. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,257
    Ricci has consistently outscored Max, so I don't think dominance in the wet means squat...1pt in the wet is still just 1pt...and it's an even more telling story if what you say is indeed true, that the team has favored Max this whole while yet he hasn't been able to outperform Ricci.

    2018 so far:
    Ricci 118 vs Max 105

    2017
    Ricci 200 vs Max 168

     
  3. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Oct 3, 2002
    48,581
    @ the wheel
    Full Name:
    Andreas
    I agree with your critical comments on Vettel. I used to be his biggest fan, particularly because of that magical drive at Monza (where I do not agree with you, that was pure magic, akin to Senna in Donington). But he is normally best when out in front and not pressured. Which makes his failure in Hockenheim all the more unforgiving: Out in front, no pressure and throws it all away. And yes, Baku this year was horrible too. And Singapore and Baku last year as you pointed out. The list of mistakes is growing. Also agreed that Hamilton makes fewer mistakes.
     
    william and DF1 like this.
  4. macca

    macca Formula Junior

    Dec 3, 2003
    692
    Vague rumour only that Newey might be going to Renault....

    Paul M
     
  5. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Oct 3, 2002
    48,581
    @ the wheel
    Full Name:
    Andreas
    OMG!

    If true Ricci might have done a Hamilton (when he went from McLaren to midfielder MB) instead of a Barrichello (from Ferrari to Honda).

    Interesting if it pans out.
     
    DF1 likes this.
  6. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    No driver is perfect. That is of course the way of the world with humans. This year he must not make a preventable mistake and lose the title. If so then the team has to question his continued drive there. Maybe not release but certainly question and review his status. Any objective team would I think. Too many poorly timed errors.
     
    Bas likes this.
  7. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

    Sep 30, 2012
    8,102
    The Horn
    Full Name:
    Igor Ound
    That was a while ago
     
  8. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 28, 2005
    11,884
    There are two key people at Red Bull: Dietrich Mateschitz and Adrian Newey. Everyone else is replaceable, I don't think Newey is going anywhere.
     
    daytona355 likes this.
  9. Jakuzzi

    Jakuzzi Formula 3

    Mar 26, 2005
    2,072
    PR, TX, GV
    Full Name:
    Jaime
    Interesting indeed, but let's not forget that by the time Lewis joined the team, Schumacher and company had sorted out the car. Please go back and see how the results got better during the season for Mercedes.
     
    daytona355 likes this.
  10. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,300
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    I do not agree he was being a ''coward'' and left. He never made a secret of his love for Ferrari...there's footage of him when he was a child saying all he wanted to was race for Ferrari. In his Red bull days (post Ferrari engined Toro Rosso) he was quoted as saying going to Fiorano with his dad and watch Michael test his Ferrari's lap after lap...

    The Red Bull wasn't great, the engine certainly wasn't. Vettel suffered loads of reliability problems early on with the car and an opportunity presented itself: A drive at Ferrari doesn't open up every day; Vettel snatched it with both hands. The deal was done quite early on. Red Bull knew he was leaving, so obviously he gets no involvement in certain meetings, he doesn't get the preferred strategy anymore, he doesn't get the newest parts as quickly...This is standard stuff for a driver leaving a team, 4x champion with them or not.
     
    P.Singhof, LVP488, NEP and 2 others like this.
  11. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,300
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Yep. And Red Bull has far deeper pockets than Renault...Newey enjoys freedom at RBR he's unlikely to find anywhere else.
     
    daytona355 likes this.
  12. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Oct 3, 2002
    48,581
    @ the wheel
    Full Name:
    Andreas
    It was quite a different story back then: EVERYBODY thought he just made the biggest mistake of his career.
     
    Jakuzzi and william like this.
  13. P.Singhof

    P.Singhof F1 Rookie

    Apr 19, 2006
    4,810
    Stuttgart, Germany
    Full Name:
    Peter Singhof
    Not on the long therm....he was leaving a former semi-works team that was loosing support to join a full factory works team. And just because the members of this forum did not know by then what the new Mercedes in the hybrid era would be like does not mean that Lauda had no clue as well...And it was obviously Lauda who convinced Lewis to join Mercedes....
     
    daytona355 likes this.
  14. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

    Sep 30, 2012
    8,102
    The Horn
    Full Name:
    Igor Ound
    Bas likes this.
  15. TheMayor

    TheMayor Nine Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    98,535
    Vegas baby
    crinoid likes this.
  16. 308luver

    308luver Formula Junior

    May 4, 2006
    707
    He was gone long before that. The donuts despite Horner's reprimands, him constantly saying "this won't last forever" in 2012, etc... it was all writing on the wall.

    He accomplished what he wanted at Red bull and wanted to do the same in a Ferrari. I don't think he put much effort into racing in 2014 as it went to getting Alonso's seat.

    He is also his own agent so...no daddy or professional to go knock on the doors for him.
     
    daytona355, william and Bas like this.
  17. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,300
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Bingo.

    He's a very smart guy. The Tifosi are a difficult bunch to say the least. Schumacher took a while to win the title also. What where they saying about him in 97? What where they saying about him in 98 (Monaco, Belgium, Suzuka)? Or 1999....or 2000? Mistakes happen. A tiny mistake or explainable error gets nitpicked to death here...As if everyone is ****ing faultless. It's ridiculous, frankly.
     
    stavura, daytona355, NEP and 3 others like this.
  18. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,528
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    And for 2018, both drivers have 4 DNF's a piece going into the summer break.
     
  19. PDX_214

    PDX_214 Formula Junior

    Apr 25, 2010
    767
    Portland, OR
    Full Name:
    J
    This is the rub, NO ONE can be on the mark 100% of the time. I've seen pros crack for literally no reason on the track. Its like golf. Racing is a hugely mental sport, as soon as there's a hiccup it can go bad, really fast. Best case, after a short reset they're back in it. We were testing a couple months ago and that "crack" cost almost 5 seconds a lap. They just lost the concentration for a few laps after a bird strike. .. that's the difference between a win and 10th place..
     
    Bas and daytona355 like this.
  20. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

    Sep 30, 2012
    8,102
    The Horn
    Full Name:
    Igor Ound
    And being his own agent he snuck in his last Red Bull contract a get-out performance based clause. After meeting with Domenicali while going to Maranello to “buy a Ferrari for his dad” his Red Bull started having all kinds of problems...

    Just hope he doesn’t have a similar clause in his Ferrari contract and his dad doesn’t like Mercs
     
    daytona355 likes this.
  21. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,257
    Well...If Seb can’t clinch the title this year I don’t think he will be able to live down his blunders with the Tifosi.
     
  22. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Yes agree'd. If its due to error of his own vs purely car function. A review might be possible. The press will do their own!
     
  23. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,300
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    I do agree with this also. But then again...what's the point really? No drivers are available. The pressure of a potential Ferrari drive has already gotten to Leclerc it seems, he's been making a large string of avoidable mistakes since really coming into the spotlight (or are they being shown now more than before because he's got public interest? As he made mistakes before as well).

    Unless Ferrari dig very deep and buy Ricciardo from Renault, I can't see it happening. Forget Lewis and Verstappen. Both will be far too expensive to buy out from their contracts.

    Seb is under a lot of pressure now....
     
  24. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    He has put himself there. We shall see how he responds soon..........
     
  25. Jakuzzi

    Jakuzzi Formula 3

    Mar 26, 2005
    2,072
    PR, TX, GV
    Full Name:
    Jaime
    Just like the Tifosi NEVER forgave Schumacher for Jerez in 1997, Spa in 1998, Great Britain in 1999, Austria in 2002, Imola in 2005 & Monaco in 2006, right? ;)
     

Share This Page