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Thinking of buying a British sportscar.

Discussion in 'British' started by Mechanical Dad, Jun 3, 2018.

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  1. Lotaz

    Lotaz Formula 3

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    Being the owner of a few British sports cars over the years my advice? Run! Don't do it! If/When I get another it will probably be an MG, there is a special place in my heart for them. My Mom loves Sunbeam Tigers but I haven't really been around those much at all. She had a Tiger in the mid to late 60's and talks about them almost as much as her Jag she had in High School. She got rid of it as my Dad found it to be impractical for a "family" to own. Being born in 64 I don't have any memory of it.
     
  2. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I have to look - not many of them in my possession, but my parents probably still have the pics. So many stories about that car from my youth (and I was very young when he owned it)!!!
     
  3. kevfla

    kevfla Formula 3

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    While MGAs are my favorite-handling MG, I can't recommend them if the car is primary going to be used for urban and suburban driving. The car is so low, you are invisible to SUV drivers. Pull up too close to one at a traffic-light, you aren't in their rear-view mirrors. Having to drive defensively all the time takes the fun out of driving it. I suggest an '80 MGB Limited Edition. Buy a good one and hopefully sell it for your purchase-price a few years later. It's got to be one of the easiest, least-expensive "sports cars" to restore!
     
  4. DrinkMan

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    As an owner of 5 British sports cars, I always tell everyone who asks what their first one should be the same answer: Triumph TR6. Easily attainable. Great parts availability. Body on Frame for easy restoration. Disc brakes and good solid reliable 6 cylinder engine make it a good driver in modern traffic. While I love the older cars, I've decided that I want my wife to be in a car with disc brakes, shoulder harness, good steering and capable of getting on the freeway with ease. It is very comfortable and a good cruiser.

    Other option - MGB. Not quite as rugged as the TR6 but it keeps up with modern traffic, is fun to drive and very easy to work on. We also have a Triumph Spitfire but unless you upgrade the engine, it is a little challenge merging onto the freeway (ours has a GT6+ engine and is quite able to keep up).

    If you want the best sports car driving experience - Lotus Elan. Yes, Lotus can mean Lots of Trouble, Usually Serious. But, the Elan is simple, easy to work on and if you do it right, be reliable enough. And the bonus - you end up with the best driving car possible.
     
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  5. jbarbakow

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    Mar 6, 2010
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    I have a 1976 Triumph TR6 in British racing green that I am thinking of selling. Great car. Just had the engine rebuilt. Let me know if you are interested.

    Jeremy
    818-645-5459
     
  6. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    This is around 1970 - my dad owned the car until around 1975 or 1976. Maybe a year after that, he bought an X1/9, but that never compared to the Austin-Healey.

    I see my mother and my brothers in these pics, I'm absent - not sure where I am, I would have been about 2-3 when this pic was taken.

    Still have very vivid memories of this car!!

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  7. Mechanical Dad

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    Aug 30, 2016
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    So today she possibly narrowed it down to an MGB or (believe it or not) a Triumph TR3. I am still going to try to grab the Austin 3000 sitting (abandoned basically) in a garage near us. The guy is having a garage sale this week, so I'm going to go try and snatch it up. Keep the info coming! Don't worry about hijacking etc. The stories help

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  8. steved033

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    Good luck on the 3000!!! Go for it! They sound so awesome.

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  9. Bluebottle

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    I had an A-H 3000 as my DD back in the '70s. Great car. I only had one issue in 3 years of ownership when something broke in the gearbox and I had to drive 150 miles home in second gear! Otherwise totally reliable.
     
  10. StuR

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    Jun 14, 2005
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    If she likes the B as a convertible, get a sorted C; if she likes the coupe get a GTV8, of have the V8 put into a convertible (B). Save a huge amount of cash over the triumph (at least here), that’ll run the MG for a long time! Just get a chrome bumper model/conversion. Good luck.


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  11. cls

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    Old Lucas electrics are anything but reliable.
     
  12. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    how big are you and your wife?

    these cars are not big.

    what is your tolerance for automotive bs? better be pretty high....british build quality from the era you are looking at makes ferraris look like they were made in germany....
     
  13. ross

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    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/very-clean-two-owner-mgb-for-sale.574798/
     
  14. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    here is the skinny.....
    i have or have owned, an mgb, an austin healey 100, a 61 xke roadster, and a 65 xke roadster....

    and they all suck

    cute, beautiful, lovely, somewhat cool, but they are built badly, uncomfortable, unreliable, fragile, dangerous, and a general pita.
    to get them to run right will cost either a little or a lot, depending on which one it is.

    but you have to be ready to put up with a whole bunch of bs.
     
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  15. StuR

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    Nearly 40, or over, year old cars. Bought to be driven hard, numerous owners, varying service histories.... you’d be surprised if there weren’t horror stories. Add in near industrial sabotage levels of disruption to British Leyland as most UK sports car companies were nationalised (eg MG, Triumph, Jag - Daimler, Vitesse, etc) and there are big opportunities for issue.

    That said, if the car is still on the road, it should have been sorted by now! A lot - eg MGs, Spits / GT6s and others are pretty basic and don’t have a huge no of components. If the electrics are iffy - put in a new harness, it’s all pretty much available. They are loads of performance, modification / improvement kits available for engine management and suspension.

    If the Op is looking at Healey, then getting an MG B which has been sorted should be easy. You could probably build a new one with a heritage shell for less than a big Healey(here).

    A couple of other makes to consider - though may be far rarer to find - TVR, Gilbert and Ginneta. Although I would certainly suggest these could be quite a bit more tricky (pricey) to sort and prices far above the MG.


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  16. Mechanical Dad

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    These thoughts have been in my head about these cars for years, (unfortunately) due to their reputation. I've been talking to a good friend of mine who grew up in England and he has told me the good and bad as well. I love a challenge, but to a point. When the fun is overshadowed by downtime, then that's a sign. I've had those projects before and where I am in life now, some things are not worth the headache.

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  17. Bluebottle

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    There was a good as new restored B convertible at auction recently that went for something in the region of £10K - try getting a pristine Healey for even 5 times that!

    Best to avoid pre-BL (1968) cars, not only for this reason, but also because the detail styling became less attractive after that.

    Sounds like you were unlucky, Ross.

    I have had two E-types ('67 4.2 OTS and '63 3.8 FHC) and they have both proved remarkably reliable for cars of that era. The 4.2 let me down once in 14 years when the clutch slave cylinder failed (hardly a major issue) and the 3.8 when water got into the fuel during a heavy downpour (yes, I do drive them in the rain!) because it had been fitted with the wrong type of fuel tank cap (so not really the car's fault).

    I have never owned an MGB, but I had an A as my daily driver for 3 completely trouble-free years. Nor have I owned a Healey 100, but i had a 3000 as my DD for 3 years and it only let me down once, when something broke in the gearbox and I had to drive all the way home in 2nd. gear.

    Build quality is not Mercedes-Benz standard - you could probably have bought two E-types for the price of a 280SL when new, and that's got to tell you something - but it's not that bad either and most will have been restored by now anyway.

    No, they are not big, but most of us can fit reasonably well. I am 6'1" and 16 stone and have never yet had any problems in any of the cars I have owned (but avoid early, flat floor E-types unless you are built like Norman Dewis). I even fitted my wife's MG Midget perfectly well, and they don't come any smaller than that. And one advantage of not being big, is that they fit through gaps about which modern cars can only dream, which makes them very enjoyable on narrow back roads which would be a 488 owner's nightmare.



    Like any 50 year old car, they will need regular TLC, but if you find yourself a good one, sort any outstanding issues, keep on top of the maintenance, and drive it with due deference to its age (by which I do NOT mean slowly), then you can look forward to many years of rewarding ownership. GO FOR IT!
     
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  18. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I've owned my E-Type for 14 years, no issues. Granted, it's limited use, but it's been a tank.
     
  19. Sunracer

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    Another vote for the TR6 and MGB. If budget is the issue MGB, TR gives you more power and a bit more modern and a great sound. Get one with or fit overdrive for much improved freeway cruising. A couple points-these days you can easily do things like convert to electronic ignition with a new distributor, a GM one wire alternator, a good quality electric fuel pump and better radiators with electric fans- this eliminates a huge number of problem areas on these cars. Just for a little Italian content-you could always consider a FIAT 124 spider-4 wheel disc brakes, twin cam engine superior suspension and ride
     
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  20. Mechanical Dad

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    Aug 30, 2016
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    Well I stopped to see the guy about his negkected AH 3000 sitting his garage and he said he's keeping it for his grandson. I'm 6'3 , so I know they'll all be a bit shoebox-ish for me, but she is 5'5 so that's fine for her. I'm thinking I need to either find one I can build my way, or one that has been in the care of a mechanic who has it going in the right direction. Originality doesn't matter to me in this case. I may have to try for the tr6 up the road next. The search is the best part in my opinion. You learn so much and hear stories etc. Thanks again everyone.

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  21. cls

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    Jun 12, 2007
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    Check around for the British clubs and the specialty mechanics. I know there's a group in Los Angeles that meets in Burbank regularly and always had cars with FS signs. I also used to see my old Triumph mechanic doing bespoke builds of British cars back when I had them.
     

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