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  1. tifoso2728

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    Wowzer!!
     
  2. Sinovac

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    That is some alternate reality nonsense right there. Why do you feel the need to spread your gloom here? I'm certain there is an unused microphone and camera somewhere in need of your unique talents.
     
  3. gtjoey

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    90 days my friend, lets see what it all shakes out too........
    Then we discuss.
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  4. ByeEnzo

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    In 90 days, there will be 90 more happy folks who took delivery of a new FGT....
     
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  5. ghibliman

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    Adult? Maybe in regards to age, absolutely nothing else.
     
  6. Sinovac

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    Great point. Those with kids know that boys tend to mature slower than girls, but this seems like an extreme case.

    Anyone with any life experience knows this type, the person who stabs you in the back and flashes a toothy smile and peace sign when you turn around to look. If someone is going to harbor petty grievances and perpetually act out on them, they should at least have the integrity to own up to it.
     
  7. werewolf

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    Personal attacks are quite unnecessary ... and needlessly juvenile.

    Negative opinions of this car ... or, any car ... are as welcome as positive opinions. May it be true, that some negative commentary is motivated by "an agenda"? Sure, it's possible. It's also quite possible that positive commentary is motivated by "an agenda" (for example, posters who may be financially motivated to post in this thread, and only this thread, on F-chat).

    An objective, un-biased perspective would reveal that there's plenty of evidence to support a positive opinion of the car, and there's plenty of evidence to support a less-than positive opinion of the car. Please leave the personal attacks out of the thread.
     
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  8. TheMayor

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  9. dbk

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    I know we've been over this with you before, but it's willful ignorance to try and arrive at the *actual* total of global GTs delivered based on the U.S monthly sales report. Beyond the fact it leaves out the rest of the world, it's also not an effective means of tracking actual deliveries for technical reasons. Here is an amended response direct from Ford to a question about the delivery schedule from 5 months ago, and production has been at the scheduled 5 cars per week for roughly that period of time. I would encourage you to read this and try and learn something from it.

    1. Ford Motor Company sells vehicles to dealers, therefore the company accounts for vehicle sales revenue when units are released to dealers. This is often referred to as wholesale. Reported wholesale revenue methodology varies by country, export/import laws, joint ventures, contract manufacturing and shipment method but typically, as far as manufacturer accounting, is concerned, vehicles in transit are accounted for as sold. This would include released vehicles in logistics systems awaiting shipment. For the GT, there is the added complexity of Multimatic releasing to Ford and Ford then releasing to the dealer. These sales are reported in corporate financials and are the primary revenue source of Ford Motor Company, and therefore accounting rules are strictly followed.

    2. Publicly provided automotive sales reports are based on dealer sales to customers and are primarily self reported by the dealers through various systems. This methodology also varies by country, type of sale, manufacturer, etc. and typically have some sort of lag. The quantity of vehicles and time between a manufacturer selling to the dealer and the dealer showing as sold to a customer is measured in multiple ways (dealer inventory/days to turn/days supply, etc.). These numbers are watched very closely by the industry, media and analysts. There is a whole cottage industry dedicated to this including trying to back into production and sales numbers by talking to suppliers, dealers, counting vehicle registrations, etc. The GT dealer inventory and days to turn is extremely low but all of these factors still apply and the difference between GT’s produced/released/sold is especially influenced by vehicles awaiting or in transit to dealers/customers.

    3. The systems producing the data that you are looking at are designed for much higher volumes. They are more than robust for corporate financials, less so sometimes for industry analysis, but definitely not suited to track individual unit production and sale. For reference, in 2016 these systems tracked 6.651 million vehicles just for Ford Motor Company wholesales.

    4. The sales reports that you are referring to are U.S. dealer sales only and don’t capture global sales or vehicles produced for company inventory.

    Due to all of the above, it is pointless to try to back into any meaningful assessment of overall GT production from these reports.
     
  10. TheMayor

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    ^LOL!!

    Ok, we will use your "I believe it's wrong because I know and you don't you poopy head" numbers instead of actual facts.

    Pretty funny.... Wanna try again?

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  11. FrankBarba

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    DBK...I understand that you knew about this NFGT going across the Mecum auction block for quite some time.
    Is that one of the reasons you asked people to stop blowing up your phone? If everything is so transparent
    over there at the forum why did you keep us all in the dark? It went from a FGT going across the auction block to
    Dana Mecums FGT going across the block, I'd love to see a copy of that title.
     
  12. dbk

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    That response was made publicly by a corporate officer at Ford Motor Company, not me. Even if you don't like the response you should at a minimum, but likely will not, be able to bring yourself to admit that the "U.S" sales do not reflect the "Global" sales of a vehicle.
     
  13. TheMayor

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    Still making numbers up are we?
     
  14. dbk

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    I don't even know what this response means, beyond the typical illustration that you can't admit you're wrong. I'll give you a clue on how accurate the report is - there's a big wall at MNV with the image of each of the first 100 cars produced sitting in the HoL paint inspection area. All of those cars are 2017s...
     
  15. TheMayor

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    Me waiting for you to show us your "real" numbers....

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  16. dbk

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    Let's start small and work our way up.

    1. Is the Ford GT sold outside the U.S?
    2. With this information as a baseline, does the "U.S Monthly Sales Report" accurately reflect the total number of a car sold globally?

    Please try and stick to yes or no. GIF format of yes or no answers acceptable.
     
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  17. Sinovac

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    Oh, ok. This should fix it then:

    I love ya Werewolf.
    No harm intended.
    Life is great.
    Can’t wait to drive my Jag.
    Peace
     
  18. werewolf

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    Sarcasm is even more juvenile, than personal attacks.
     
  19. Sinovac

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    Now that’s funny.
     
  20. werewolf

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    I think this would be an accurate summary of the above:

    - The total number of Ford GTs manufactured by Ford/Multimatic is greater than (or equal to) the number sold by Ford dealerships, obviously. In any given month, the number "sold" by dealers is not an accurate reflection of the number "manufactured" (again, obviously).

    - The reported "sales" numbers may only include US dealers.

    Seems to me, this debate can easily be resolved by: first, decide if the debate concerns the monthly manufacturing numbers, or the monthly sales numbers. Second, decide if the debate concerns US sales, or international sales.

    Seems to me that Mayors numbers may, indeed, accurately reflect sales numbers (not manufactured numbers), but perhaps in the US-only (not globally).
     
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  21. dbk

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    There's really not a debate to be had here, it's just TheMayor being typically obstinate in the face of reality.

    His contention was that only 30 people would receive new GTs over the next 90 days, and his "evidence" of this was numbers pulled from the U.S monthly sales report. Certainly for the reasons already detailed it's obvious that the U.S monthly sales report is not an accurate reflection of global sales, production or deliveries (or even U.S deliveries). The only thing those numbers accurately represent is the inexact number of "sales" that have been reported in the system and only in the U.S market, and the best you can glean from them is only that the number of computer reported sales in the U.S is no lower. It's otherwise irrelevant to total deliveries. For the first several months of production, I would watch as cars that were physically delivered in my presence and presented to their owners but would subsequently not show up immediately in the U.S sales report, illustrating exactly the point of the above quoted executive.

    The U.S sales report above shows 139 cars as of last month; there were almost that many produced in MY17 alone and the total production is over 250 cars at this point.
     
  22. werewolf

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    Of course, we would all agree that US sales, alone, are not inclusive of international sales. But it does beg the question ... how many Ford GTs are sold, per month, outside the US?

    We can of course agree that "30 units over 90 days" may not be accurate, if these numbers only include US sales. But ... how far off? How many FordGTs are sold outside the US, every month? Is "90 units over 90 days" closer to being accurate, if we include international sales (hard to imagine that the FordGT sells outside the US at a 2:1 ratio, but i have no data to back that up).

    Anyone have any real data, for international sales of FordGTs? Is the number "close" to 30 units over 90 days in the US, but "closer" to 90 units in 90 days if we count international sales?
     
  23. GuyIncognito

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    why are we arguing sales numbers for a car that is 100% sold out with a lengthy waiting list?
     
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    Because internet?
     
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  25. dbk

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    It varies. In 2017, deliveries outside the U.S didn't begin until December. The vast majority of deliveries in model year 2017 were made in the U.S and Canada, and there are quite a few cars in Canada. I believe Polito Ford in Toronto has already delivered 5. This year, deliveries will be overweight in Europe until late in the year due to regulatory reasons. Some of the MY17 cars scheduled for delivery in continental Europe got held up in the UK temporarily, which is why you could find MY17 Heritage cars being delivered concurrently with MY18 Heritage cars in the EU at the beginning of the year.

    ByeEnzo was being inexact, but he certainly knows more than TheMayor. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he has seen the wall of 100 2017 cars at MNV in person.

    The production rate for the majority of 2018 has been 5 cars per week or ballpark 20 per month. That is what is scheduled, that will always be the approximate rate at which they are produced now that they are at rate. They do not have the physical capability to do more and plan to do no less. The cars are shipped in "pods" to a geographic location where possible so the delivery number worldwide may be +/- a few on any given month, but it will be roughly 20. If 2 cars are going to West Texas within a 30 day period, the first one may wait extra weeks to deliver at the same time so they can go on the same truck and so the delivery specialist isn't making two trips where they can make one. The first batch of cars exported to Europe I think went in a group of 9. The main U.S delivery specialist spent his 2017 holiday season in the Middle East delivering a batch of cars.

    In short, over a 90 day period, globally deliveries will be roughly 60.
     
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