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  1. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    No.
    This is not 0288 MM.
    It is 0290 M, a 166 MM/53 Spider Vignale.

    Marcel Massini
     
  2. Christian.Fr

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    I'm not sure, I not convinced by your post.
    Your coming with your own idea, but nothing for proving what your writing.

    Probably your right/wrong, I don t know? Finally is not so important. It s a old picture. Today, an other time, we react differently.

    Picture in the book...Is it a good book? Probably in very limited edition.

    Knowlage is based only with 2 things. Time and $.

    I m writing you with full respect, be cool with your reply, if you can...if you want.
     
  3. Marcel Massini

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    Not "coming with my own idea". Rather with clear proof and proper research.
    Milan license plate "MI 214166": I have full Italian road registration paperwork for this (it was issued/registered 12 July 1953) and it confirms the chassis number 0290 M.
    Oh, besides that, a 166 MM/53 Vignale Spider (2 liters) usually has just two and not three portholes in the front fenders (like a 250 MM with 3-liter engine).

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    To "Christian.Fr":
    Here's proof for Italian plate Milan "MI 214166", from July 1953.
    I have marked in red what is important.
    Clearly chassis #0290 M.

    Marcel Massini

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  5. Elsi

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    Hahaha, did you really believe Marcel Massini would be wrong on that car?

    I once had the opportunity to visit Marcel at his home. There he showed me all the documents he has stored in a large room. You would not believe what documents he has and what he knows about all these cars.


    I am not sure but think back then Marcel told me the history about this car and how you travelled to Italy to find out which were the owners of this car.


    Markus
     
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  6. Christian.Fr

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    I m not convinced by this document.
    Who knows, probably this documents is false?
    Not acceptable.

    Many documents are official, from gouvernement or by some any other organisations and I feel surprise by someone how says to have all documents in his possession.

    Anyway, I saw in Barchetta cc. and 214166MI is clearly #0288
    So who is correct....
     
  7. Christian.Fr

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    Did you call the all authorities in Switzerland? :)

    Seriously, a small part of paper for confirming a car... hilarious.
     
  8. Marcel Massini

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    #1008 Marcel Massini, Nov 12, 2017
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    You seem to have a really bad day, Sir. Or it's just pure provocation. Why should this document be false? Naturally I have posted here only the upper half of one page of this doc, the entire document is several pages long as is the norm with all these documents. BTW, I have in my archives more than 7'000 such registration documents for early Ferraris in Italy. The lower part of the page and further pages of this document list all details of owners in Italy from the first to the last one, including dates of change of ownership, names, birth dates, father's name, full street address and even the prices paid at the time. Plus names of potential dealers and brokers in between and also if a loan was on the car and if so by whom it was granted and until which date it had to be paid back.
    This document is not from Switzerland or from Swiss authorities. It has nothing to do with Switzerland. We talk about an Italian registered car and it comes from the Milan Registration Office.
    Maybe your favourite website is wrong or doesn't have the document, or simply doesn't care and not update their site.

    Please enjoy a wonderful weekend.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  9. Christian.Fr

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    To: M Massini
    I did not have a bad day, just I had a violent emotion that s grabbing me by discovering the name indicates in the alert zone: Marcel Massini quote your post. :)

    Anyway, I read your answer and I found disappointing. But I recovered fast.

    You could have explained to me the differences between #0290 and # 0288.

    I have your book in front of the eyes "Ferrari by Vignale" page 162/163
    I see lots of photos of #0288 and a very small picture for #0290.

    You say that Barchetta CC is wrong and that this site is not refreshed ...

    Seriously, Marcel! Put yourself in the place of the people ...

    I pass on the passage from the Swiss documentation, you did not understand that I was showing humour with your Swiss colleague.

    I have also noted your personal publicity, many archives, as well as your merits.

    My weekend? Fabulueux. With friends, it turns out that it is the Saint Christian today.
     
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    Pulling out of the garage for the first time!
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  20. shoreorthopod

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    plate seems about right for this
     
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