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Where do I find the history of my car?

Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by ricar116, Nov 30, 2017.

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  1. ricar116

    ricar116 Formula Junior

    Aug 2, 2005
    409
    Bolivar, Missouri
    Full Name:
    Rick Carr
    I have been on the forum for a while have owned 1974 365 GT4/2+2 17429 for over 13 years and have never looked up delivery history ownership lineage. Where do I go or who do I communicate with?
     
  2. Il Tifoso

    Il Tifoso Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Oct 22, 2013
    1,546
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Full Name:
    Ruben
    Ferrari’s website had some years back (perhaps still has?) an owner’s section where you can register yourself as the current owner and they supposedly provide some of this info. You may want to give this a try.

    That said, in my experience, the sign up process was ridiculously difficult and the info was not at all useful for the couple of the cars that I tried it out with. I gave up on subsequent cars...

    If you do try it, please report back!

    Cheers,

    Ruben
     
  3. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    Sold new to a Mr or Mrs Bormer in Italy. By June 1986 owned by Joyce Breach, noted as the second owner, then red with black interior and 54,000 km.
    That's all I have prior to your ownership Rick.
    David
     
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  4. ricar116

    ricar116 Formula Junior

    Aug 2, 2005
    409
    Bolivar, Missouri
    Full Name:
    Rick Carr
    Thank you David. I have the Federalization papers after Ms. Breach. There is still a heel mark in the carpet I would assume from Ms. Breach.
     
  5. Temerian

    Temerian Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 17, 2014
    432
    Manhattan
    Full Name:
    Rick Temerian
    What would we do without David! He is the Massini of our forum!
     
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  6. JAnastas

    JAnastas Karting

    Nov 24, 2013
    130
    Los Angeles
    David,

    What do you know of 51777, 84 Auto?

    I know/beleive the car was delivered new to Gentry Motors in 1984 (per the plate in the car and the sticker on the windshield), and I've got it's full service records from entry to the US/sold in Denver to today. But there is a "gap" between the two.

    Possible to fill in please?

    Thanks!

    -JA
     
  7. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    Hi Jonathan.
    I don't have much on yours unfortunately. It was sold at the Kruse auction on 3 April 1993 (61,563 km) and again at auction on 16 April 1999 and these are the earliest references I have.
    Regards David
     
  8. JAnastas

    JAnastas Karting

    Nov 24, 2013
    130
    Los Angeles
    Thank you!

    Kruse again in 1999? Or another house?
     
  9. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    RM Auctions, then showing 73,772 km.
     
  10. ONSilver

    ONSilver Karting

    May 26, 2008
    183
    Oakville, Ontario
    Hi David, anything on 64223? I've owned this 412 for nearly 10 years. It came I believe from Pozzi in France originally, and was exported to Canada from Autodrome in Cannes, France. I visited them 2 years ago, they remembered the car, said they would send me copies of their files, and never did! Thanks, Oliver
     
  11. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    Hi Oliver,
    Unfortunately i have nothing more on your car, just the info you have that it came from France and was sold by Autodrome in Cannes.
    Regards David
     
  12. samsaprunoff

    samsaprunoff F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 8, 2004
    4,160
    Edmonton, AB Canada
    Full Name:
    Sam Saprunoff
    Good day Rick,

    I just checked your chassis number (17429) in Hillary Raab's serial Number book and found the following:

    - First Owner: Bormer in Italy (Correlates with David/RamBoy's info)
    - Assembly Number: 163
    - Body Number: 148
    - Coachbuilder: Pininfarina

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  13. Temerian

    Temerian Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 17, 2014
    432
    Manhattan
    Full Name:
    Rick Temerian
    Hi Sam/David,
    Do you have any info on my car #28977? Just curious.
    Thanks!
     
  14. ricar116

    ricar116 Formula Junior

    Aug 2, 2005
    409
    Bolivar, Missouri
    Full Name:
    Rick Carr
    Thanks Sam! She is getting very close. Currently buttoning up small details.
     
  15. jippiejake

    jippiejake Formula Junior

    Nov 6, 2012
    977
    Venice Beach
    Full Name:
    Mike Kerns
  16. ricar116

    ricar116 Formula Junior

    Aug 2, 2005
    409
    Bolivar, Missouri
    Full Name:
    Rick Carr
    I remember those days, but the work you have completed is quality. Your car will be very nice.
     
  17. dstacy

    dstacy F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 23, 2006
    11,769
    GMT -5 & GMT +1
    Full Name:
    Dave
    In 2004 it was in PA
     
  18. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    Sorry Rick, I have no more than you already know about your car.
    regards
     
  19. Jasonberkeley

    Jasonberkeley Formula 3

    Apr 23, 2017
    1,321
    NW Corner, CT
    Full Name:
    Jason Berkeley
    Agreed. Cathy Roush has been awesome at providing info. I always then send her what I have so she can fill out her data base. Also cool is that she often has original back issues if your car had been listed for sale in there back in time. Good to purchase to add to your historical paper trail.
     
  20. JAnastas

    JAnastas Karting

    Nov 24, 2013
    130
    Los Angeles
    Where are you getting that and in what detail?

    Does not match the service records and Carfax I have.

    From the data I have, it was registered in CO in the 90s and I have pretty complete service records from Ferrari Denver, then sold into LA, where I have pretty complete service records from a shop in Pasadena. Carfax mentions those two states w no other registrations between them/only two in the US until my purchase in 2013.

    I don't doubt you at all, but just not aligning with the paperwork I have.

    PS: do you have locations for those two auctions (which cities in addition to the houses and mileage noted)?

    Thanks so much.
     
  21. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
    766
    Stockholm
    Full Name:
    David Ramm
    The auction references I have from SCM Platinum Database, I don't have the catalogues. As a subscriber you can obtain more details eg location.
     
  22. JAnastas

    JAnastas Karting

    Nov 24, 2013
    130
    Los Angeles
    Thank you! I created confusion. Combined responses you and DStacy who noted the car in PA in 2004, that was the outlier to the info I have.
     
  23. Robert Kindel

    Robert Kindel Rookie

    Aug 27, 2006
    9
    Katy, Texas
    Full Name:
    Robert Kindel
    Hello All. I brought in Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 in 1985. Serial number 17803. It is RHD and I bought it in England. Any one know where it is today?
     
  24. jippiejake

    jippiejake Formula Junior

    Nov 6, 2012
    977
    Venice Beach
    Full Name:
    Mike Kerns
    And its free, just need to subscribe...Where as Mr Macini can be $1500...
     
  25. JAnastas

    JAnastas Karting

    Nov 24, 2013
    130
    Los Angeles
    For your records: I subscribed:

    - 4/15/99 = NOT SOLD at $23,287
    - 4/2/93 = NOT SOLD at $65,050 (!!!)

    The second (93) has to be Canadian dollars/Canadian auction as the CarFax shows the car in Ontario on 9/4/84 (importation to Gentry Motors) until sold (also Ontario) on 8/27/99.

    93 was post Ferrari price crash, yes?

    Carafe shows car's first US entry in Colorado in 2001, where my service records pick up.

    So looks like 2 Canadian owners and 2 prior US owners. I'm the 5th overall.

    The SCM showing "not sold" both times no longer conflicts with my paper trail :)
     

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