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  1. sherrillt

    sherrillt Formula 3
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    recently had my battery go low, put it on my tender and did a recon to restore the battery.

    The car has all power and all accessories function fine now and the starter clicks, but the engine wasn’t/isn’t turning, so it doesn’t seem like an immobilizer issue.

    Pulled the battery this morning and had it tested and it’s good.

    Any recommendations on next steps for diagnostics (relays or modules)?
     
  2. rslee

    rslee Rookie

    Jan 30, 2016
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    Ensure the battery connections are clean. Corrosion / oxidization there can create resistance.
     
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  3. BlacktopRacing

    BlacktopRacing Formula Junior

    Sep 18, 2016
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    When they said your battery was good, what was that based on? If they just measured voltage then it might not have enough cold cranking amps. Oftentimes a battery could have adequate or sufficient voltage but not enough amperage. Amperage is what's needed to start the engine.
     
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  4. F1Spider

    F1Spider Karting

    Jan 8, 2013
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    Buy and install a new battery they only last 2/3 years based on climate. Try it and report back.


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  5. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    More or less correct but it is really a complicated subject. Voltage is the potential to do work BUT it doesn't tell you how much work can be done. Current (measured in amps) represents the movement of electricity but it doesn't tell how much work can be done. Power is measured in Watts and represents the work actually done, not how much can be done. It is very difficult to measure potential energy (how much work a battery can actually do at any given time). Suffice to say, batteries do go bad and load testing is the only way to know if a battery is good or not. Many shops have the ability to load test batteries but it is doubtful that you can do that at home.
     
  6. Dewinator

    Dewinator F1 Veteran
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    You forgot laziage, the difference between the potential to do work and the amount of work you actually choose to do. :)
     
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  7. Ravipatel1975

    Ravipatel1975 Rookie

    Jul 24, 2017
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    I'm having a similar issue, however my battery is fine and never depleted (on tenderizer), and replaced key fob battery, but still not able to turn off engine demobilizer with the key fob, so engine won't turn over. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
     
  8. whatheheck

    whatheheck F1 Rookie
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    Mar 27, 2006
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    Make sure you're pressing on the brake pedal hard prior to pushing the engine start switch.
    Check your brake pedal switch to ensure it's not damaged or any wires damaged.
    Unlock your engine bay lid, lift it up, clean the contacts of the 3rd brake light switch metal plate using very fine sandpaper, then reclose engine bay lid.I

    Try starting the engine again.

    Hope that helps.

    Dan
     
  9. rugby

    rugby Formula Junior

    Apr 10, 2015
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    Do you have another fob you can try?
    Do you have the immobilizer PIN code card that should have come with the car?
     
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  10. rugby

    rugby Formula Junior

    Apr 10, 2015
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    - Check to see if your brake lights are working.

    - Attach a voltmeter to the battery terminal wire. The voltage should be 12.5+ volts.

    - While observing the voltmeter, try to start the car. If the voltage drops much below 11 volts, you either have a dead battery or a bad connection in the power wiring.
     
  11. sherrillt

    sherrillt Formula 3
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    Battery isn’t the issue. Checked all connections.

    Locked and unlocked using red fob. All electrical appears good.

    Lights all good /13.1v
     
  12. ATLSIGNGUY

    ATLSIGNGUY Karting

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    I've heard that you should turn key on and wait 30 seconds before trying to start the engine. Some how this allows the battery and the car to get in sync.

    Maybe worth a try....
     
  13. JoeTSI

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    Is your red alarm light still blinking or illuminated when attempting to start?
     
  14. sherrillt

    sherrillt Formula 3
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    Well...Played around with locking and unlocking with various remotes, turning the battery kill switch on and off, and wiped down the engine bay (something to do while I was thinking what this could be) then tried to started it one last time before calling it a night and to my amazement the car fired right up as if nothing ever was wrong.

    Case closed - chalk it up as another one of those temperamental Ferrari oddities that leaves you baffled.
     
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  15. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
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    Except IF this problem comes back, its good to recall what did you actually do.
     
  16. cgfen

    cgfen Formula Junior

    Jun 1, 2015
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    vista ca
    not true.
    "urban myth"
    no need to wait for OK to appear.
    don't waste your time.

    cheers

    Craig
     
  17. Skidkid

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    Definitely not a myth and no idea why you would think that let alone try to promote such rubish. Even the owners manual says to wait. The reason is the system is initializing and establishing communications on the CAN bus. IF you hit the wrong timing on that start you can disrupt the initialization process and cause problems. They can be rectified by turning off the system and trying again but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
     
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  18. ATLSIGNGUY

    ATLSIGNGUY Karting

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    Glad you got it working.
     

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