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365GT Ignition problem

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  1. TheMac

    TheMac Formula Junior

    Sep 5, 2009
    452
    Alberta
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    Jon Mac
    My father's 365GT was running fine... until last week. He drives the car once every week or two, and prior to this, it has not had any issues. The car started without difficulty, but sounded muted (not rough running), and was way down on power. After driving it a few blocks, he parked it in the garage to investigate the issue and it has not run since.

    We first investigated the fuel system. His car has the FISPA electrical pump and the autoflux, although with the FISPA running I don't believe the autoflux is operating, and it doesn't seem necessary. We verified that the carburetor bowls were full, and that the idle jets were squirting fuel.

    Next step was the ignition system. We attempted to verify that we are getting spark by attaching a timing light to the spark plug leads and cranking the engine. We got a puzzling result. No spark in 11 of the cylinders, but cylinder #3 for some reason shows that it is sparking just fine. So far after that, we've removed the distributor caps to inspect/clean the points. That appears not to have had any effect; after putting it all back together, we still get spark on #3 and none of the other cylinders.

    Can anyone offer some assistance? Or at least suggest the next step? For reference, this is a dual distributor set up, and he has had MSD installed on it.
     
  2. 12659

    12659 Formula Junior

    Oct 6, 2005
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    Seattle WA. USA
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    mark
    Well, next thing to do is check to see if the coils are energized, and working. Then it will necessary to look at the MSD.
     
  3. Drew Altemara

    Drew Altemara Formula 3

    Feb 11, 2002
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  4. Drew Altemara

    Drew Altemara Formula 3

    Feb 11, 2002
    1,505
    Tuscaloosa, AL
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    Drew Altemara
    Attach the coil wire to a spark plug and ground it against the engine. Hold it with rubber gloves or a block of wood. Turn the engine over. If you get spark you are probably good from the dinoplex and coil forward and the trigger whether points or optical in the distributor are good are good.

    You problem is likely downstream in the distributor cap or wiring.

    If no spark check the resistance of the coil

    Should be around 1.5 ohm primary. Two screws on coil.

    6000 secondary. Coil output wire to plus screw I believe.



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  5. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Nov 11, 2003
    2,238
    Frederick, Maryland
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    Brian Brown
    If he has an MSD box on it, then the ignition coil does not have battery power connected to it.
    The MSD box has two leads that go directly to the coil. I recommend looking at the MSD instructions in order to diagnose the problem. It will have a wiring diagram for the unit as well as some diagnosis instructions and a hotline that you can call if you have problems.
     
  6. TheMac

    TheMac Formula Junior

    Sep 5, 2009
    452
    Alberta
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    Jon Mac
    We have figured out the problem and I thought I would update this thread just to bring some closure to it. I'll cut to the chase: It's not very exciting, but it was a bad battery. We did, of course, test the battery as soon as we figured it was a spark issue, and it tested at 12.8 volts. It would also crank the starter easily and for a long time. The battery was not dead, nor was it dying, but it also somehow was enough to turn the starter but not enough to produce the power to the MSD to give spark.

    We tested the coils, they tested fine, we tested the alternator, it tested fine, we tested the spark plug wires, they were fine. We had the wiring diagram to the MSD, which is actually two separate MSDs, one per bank. The trouble shoot there was fairly straightforward, but it just seemed really fishy that they would both fail at the exact same moment. So we went back to the beginning, to start again, and instead of just testing the battery, we swapped it for another that we already had. Car fired up easily, and after a minute or two, was running great.

    I want to thank everybody who replied to the thread with advice on what to do next. You guys make F-Chat so great. Happy motoring to all.
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    38,058
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    Terry H Phillips
    Jon- Amazing how many seemingly complicated issues come down to a weak battery. Put in a modern AGM battery and you will have even fewer problems. Just not an Optima.
     
  8. afwrench

    afwrench Formula Junior

    Nov 24, 2004
    593
    NY
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    Mike
    Hi Jon, those old Ferrari starters can draw a lot of current.I put a gear reduction high torque starter on my C4 and it has been great.Sounds a bit different but performs every time.Mike
     

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