Hamilton v Rosberg Thread

The british press has a very nasty trait, it likes to get behind the underdog at first, and the enjoys to kick them down and the readers jump on the band waggon.
Regarding LH and the brits liking him, even people who are not F1 fans know who he is. In the same way that people who do not follow football know who David Beckham is, and here he is very popular.
Take Micheal Schumacher, even though all of Germany may not have been F1 fans, was he still not loved by the German people, a natinal hero? Did he not also like to spend time in the USA because he was not as recognisable and was not mobbed as he was in his own country?

 

As a 67 years old Brit with mixed race children, I can say that you got it all wrong if you imply that the average Brit is prejudiced.
Many Brits speak as then find, and they would cheer for Daley Thompson, Fatima Withbread and many other athletes of various ethnicities, races, or origins, so that's not the issue here. In fact, Britain is very well served by the many sportmen and women who compete under its colours, and they are rewarded accordingly.
And a tattoed Beckman is just as unsavoury than a tattoed Lewis Hamilton; tattoes and ear studs are a put-off for some, whoever wears them!
You cannot deny someone's achievements ( records are there to show his worth), but you cannot expect everyone to like his personality.

 

I did not imply that the average brit is prejudiced at all, you have just said that. I have have got nothing wrong in what i have said, nothing.
And if you really do have mixraced children, then you should know exactly were i am coming from.
You started the subject, you bought up the fact that lewis does not look British, as your own children dont going from what YOU have stated, not me, even then you have not said if your children are half black and half white. If you were not talking about what i thought you were talking about, then tell me what you ment by "not looking British". As i said, the older generation.
Also i never once said that i expect all brits to like this personality, you said that.

 

I think you would be surprised how many Germans actually did not like Schumacher during his racing days...Many people who did not closely follow F1 just knew what was written in press and we all know that your image in press could be very different from who you really are. I think you can ask everyone who personally knows Schumacher that he is a very nice and friendly guy but in the media he was often the cold, success-oriented and arrogant egomaniac. Germans who never watched a single F1 race "know" more about him crashing into Villeneuve than how he won his races...
So that is why I am interested to learn what people in general think of Hamilton, I doubt that he has just fans in the UK...
And when reading the article I do not see British people do not love him at all but not the same way as they loved others.

 

You would, it was obviously written by some knucklehead, deemed with the task of coming up with a story to sell their toilet paper.

Exactly.

Am stinking rich ...and I don't give a rats ass about no one... Lewis is one of the best drivers in F1 right now, plus he probably the most polarizing figures in F1, he earns more than me for doing something he loves, I wonder if the clown that wrote that article that can say the same

 

Judging from our German toilet paper press this "newspapers" actually write exactly what the majority of their readers want to read, otherwise they would not sell.
So even when assuming that the written is not true, there might be a large amount of people sharing this view?

 

I wouldn't care Pete, I don't know whether you have seen this, but I made my mind up way back, and some dick piece jorno is going to change it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt_PJqM-sRc

 

This topic is so subjective and there is very little material that can be analysed for us to form
Opinions from. As said above, lewis has a huge social media following and the cheers he gets on the podium (compared to nicos boos are also telling).

The comments made on social media are also very pro lewis and anti nico. Many thumbs up on the pro lewis comments too.

Who knows if they are British? Perhaps not. But I don't buy into the view that the British public is all "proper" and gentlemen like given the chav-like behaviour that has filtered into the media as of late.

Regardless, popularity contests are redundant. Who wins, how they win and how good they are is what matters.

 

Yes, the average Brit (and that includes ethnic minorities as well), doesn't look like a tapestry with his arms covered in tattoes, nor do most British male wear 2 big diamond ear studs, nor do they dress like a gangsta rapper either!
That is a style that is alien among most Brits, I would say.
So don't be surprised if Hamilton is judged like a marginal character by some (many? I don't know).
This, added to the fact that he comes across as being constantly coached, insincere and troubled in his dealing with the press, *****y and vindictive with his entourage, doesn't make him a likeable character. Hamilton is not really material to be a role model, is he?

Coulthard, Button, McNish, Stewart are/were also excellent drivers with good personality, and come across as very sympathetic. Hamilton not.

 

Lol, yea william, nice get out mate
Tattos, i like them personaly So lewis is gagsta, Alonso wants to be a Samuri, and Kimi a Maori warrior. As for jenson, well thats just not cricket old chap
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Completely agree and feel the same way.

How he dresses I don't really care, that's a personal style etc. Tattoos I don't care for, they can actually look fantastic (as long as they're not randomly picked out of a book).

If I only judged a driver by his antics on track I would root for him I'd say. IMO he sealed the championship with his moves on Rosberg in Suzuka and Austin, Rosberg really disappointed me there. But it turns out the drivers I support are for more than just their on track antics. Ham seems like a **** outside the car (and on the radio) hence I dislike him.

 

I knew this was going to bed fun

 

I see but this was actually not the question. I know that you like Hamilton and I did not expect an article taking this away from you. The only question is how the majority of readers of this magazine actually thinks, whether this is the opinion of a single guy or a lot of people?
Furthermore I would like to know how the "Telegraph" is positioned in the "media culture"? Is this more a newspaper for the "intellectuals" who might think that every sports below cricket, tennis and golf is rather for plebs (as they are talking of golfers being more popular) or is it more the newspaper for the people on the street? I think this information would be helpful to judge the written...

First of all social medias are not very representive as I guess a good portion of matured people do not even use them. Second a lot of younger people (10-15) tend to like and thumbs up to a lot of crap every day without any background or actually being fan of it.

Second, as you were not able to deny yourself the potshot on Rosberg ("compared to nicos boos are also telling") you counter yourself when you use that as an argument pro-Hamilton/anti-Rosberg when you mention in you last sentence all of the sudden that this popularity contest is redundant. And as said before those booing at a podium ceremony are not real fans (IMO) but a hoard of plebs visiting a F1 race. This has nothing to do with sportsmanship and certainly nothing with typical Brits (quite the sportsmen in international view)...

 

If we look back to the article all we have is the opinion of the author and quotes from British drivers, who having been surpassed by hamilton in the record books, are about the most bias source these is. I think that is where you should be levelling your criticism.

With regard to social media. I agree that a lot of older people are not on there. Certainly seemed to be a lot of Middle aged people commenting but not many in the 60 plus group. The point is social media is the best yard stick we have and whilst it is not perfect it certainly trumps the opinion of one man (the author) and a few sound bites from successful British racers of the past. Regardless, I think lewis has around ten times more Instagram followers than nico. Maybe 30 times more than alonso and 150 times more than Vettel. Of course being a regular poster helps. This trend continues on facebook where he has a million more likes than alonso and Vettel isn't even on the map with some 2.5 million less likers.

Young people thumbs up a lot of crap that enters their newsfeed. They don't take the time to trawl through the comments of a topic they know nothing about and thumbs those up.

The overall point is that this article is gutter journalism. The onus is on the author to provide some credibility to his claims and he falls well short of that.

With regard to your second point; I don't care much for the popularity contest. That was the point I was trying to make. Sure I'll still post my views (obviously) but trying to actually debate this issue when we have such little to go on is akin to pissing in the wind; an ultimately pointless endeavour. The only thing of value in that article was the General point that drivers are very inaccessible to the public these days and exist in a bubble. That needs to change.

 

Same for me; I have to like someone's personality to appreciate him/her.

Hamilton may be a genius at the wheel, he sounds and acts like an immature brat.
Nobody can take away from him his achievements on the track, his wins and his championship(s), and that's not the issue here. Some people don't like the guy, and I am one of them.

He is not an attractive personality to me, and I don't care for the millions of "fans" who follow him on social media: that doesn't influence my judgement one iota!!!

I think he appeals to some young people who are like him and attracted by his persona. When one sees what sort of people are popular on social media, twitter, facebook and else, one can understand the phenomena.

Personally, I stay away from this trivia.

 

+1

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper, mostly with centre-right view, middle-class, etc...

Social media are not representative of public opinion, not more than the X-Factor is a yardstick for singing talent!

Not liking Hamilton is unnacceptable by some here, but booing for Rosberg is OK. That shows how bias some people are ; a really childish attitude.
I prefer Rosberg to Hamilton, and will continue to do so, regardless of the result of the last GP.

 

Except he did win in not the best car, actually that car was pretty far from best. But people seem to forget that fact always...

 

Was the Red Bull the best car in 2010? Debatable IMO. Many cars where great that season in various trim and tracks. He certainly didn't have the out and out best car.

Took the fight in 2009 as well, in definitely not the best car.

The amount of championships won in not the best car is pretty damn short as well....

 

You are allowed to dislike hamilton - nobody cares about that. We are debating the unsubstantiated claim that he is disliked by the general populace of Britain. That is what the article is claiming. It is a baseless claim. Compare your first and second statements with eachother....it is obvious where your bias lies. As the original instigator of the racist diatribe against hamilton on a thread earlier this season can't say I'm surprised.

 

LH pulled his own race-card. Care to comment? I can happily link you the press on that or the I was born poor utter rubbish. He is a great driver with a very big mouth he forgets to shut at the appropriate times.

He is young and pampered and has been for a very long time via Mclaren. Not the only one mind you, but LH lacks polish and at times appears to actually not have a great idea where he is going or what he should prioritize.

Dont lecture anyone here about race as LH opened that door wide open all by himself.

 

I attend about 4 motorsport event in GB every year, at least one of them is also attended by Hamilton (Goodwood) but as I am not British and I do not know the general mood there I think I can not judge what the general feelings for him are in UK. But you are sitting 10000 miles away in Australia (?) and just from your experience with social media you think you can call that unsubstantiated because it does not suit your preference??? And you call yourself reasonable and not-biased???
I would rather like to hear from British guys about their experience and what people talk about in a pub or at work after the GP than from you and your social media think as I think THIS is unsubstantiated in that context.

 

I can step through that door being it was william that opend it, you know the one who allegedly has mix race kids of his own lol.
Are you talking about the " is it cos i am black" ? . That came from a Comic send up character called Ali Gee, a few years ago this was the big thing to say among the youth of Britain, be it black white ot aisian. When lewis said it, it was very tongue in cheek. Something people out side the uk did not get. Then the band waggon gained speed.
This has been explained numerous times on here, but the haters only grasp what ever fits there criteria.
Ali Gee is played by a white guy who sends people up. I personaly think they guy is not that funny, but he clearly left an impresion. Heres a clip of what he does
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