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  1. asjoseph

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    #426 asjoseph, Aug 15, 2014
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    ... NASCAR sporting regs amendment:

    NASCAR announces new safety rules | Fox News

    Denote the political angle: were NASCAR to have knee-jerked into amending sporting regs, limiting "driver behavior" on the caution lap might have otherwise been construed a de facto implication of Tony Stewart as the at-fault party last week, at Canandiagua.

    Theory of bureaucratic behavior we can expect, right or wrong, that organized motor sport takes care of its own, save who may; that NASCAR is incapable of altruism at the expense of its status, power and prestige. Impetus behind NASCAR having done 180 degrees otherwise, amending NASCAR's sporting regulations only with newfangled restrictions solely limiting "pedestrian conduct," sans any amendment restricting "driver behavior," constitutes a subtle, underhanded attempt to intercede on Tony Stewart's behalf, thus not only tacitly exonerating him in the eyes of organized stock car racing, but applauding him for his exploit...

    Amending sporting regs devoid any limitation on "driver behavior" on the caution lap, not only does NASCAR tacitly implicate Kevin Ward as the sole at-fault party to blame last week, at Canandiagua. This is the rude equivalent to a pat on the back for Tony Stewart for a job well done, from the NASCAR people!

    These new regs a smoke signal to all motor sport, NASCAR just formally exonerated Tony Stewart. Conspicuous forbearance from talking any action whatever to amend driver behavior, NASCAR implies, racing cars always have right-of-way, over pedestrians -- asj.
     
  2. TexasF355F1

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    So in other words, you're saying Ward had zero culpability in his death?
     
  3. 360Tom

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    I just got done reading a post saying that there were 5 other cameras used to clarify the situation. From what I read. You can see Ward jump onto the side of Stewart's car trying to grab a hold of the wing. That's the point at which Stewart swerved. This is just from the article I read. Anyone else hear of this info?
    Nascar is just being political and calming the media's nerves. It should be called the common sense rule.
     
  4. GV27TIFOSI

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    I feel for Tony Stewart, whatever happened and I honestly believe it was an accident and Ward went where he shouldn't have gone.
    You can't see out the right side of these sprint cars and must gas it to turn left.
    I know this is weighing heavily on Stewart and the inevitable civil suit will total millions.
    He may well retire from the sport as a driver.
    His reputation precedes him but that doesn't make him guilty.
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  5. texasmr2

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    #430 texasmr2, Aug 17, 2014
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    Tony did nothing wrong and to even think he turned so he could hit Ward is simply ludicrous.
     
  6. asjoseph

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    #431 asjoseph, Aug 18, 2014
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    ... now, don't you people fret. Soon enough, our boy Tony Stewart's going to be grinning ear-to-ear, snickering under his breath how he walked away from this whole thing, OJ style. Theory of bureaucratic behavior, everybody here well knows how well organized motor sport takes care of its own...

    Save who may.

    Organized motor sport is undergoing alteration to its sporting regulations, in an indirect attempt to exonerate Tony Stewart from any wrongdoing such, that all drivers must now indefinitely remain in crashed vehicles, which could any moment explode. Much like Islamic nation-states, where women are prohibited fleeing burning buildings without their berkas, similarly so here in America -- land of the free; home of the brave -- where no race driver may flee their crashed vehicle, until organized motor sport arbitrarily decrees otherwise?

    America's best days well behind her, ever notice how America slowly becomes more and more indicative, of the very thing it once detested? - asj.
     
  7. tervuren

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    #432 tervuren, Aug 18, 2014
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    ^ NASCAR has ALWAYS had it that way, only in extreme situations do driver's get out of their car before the safety workers get there(Fire). You'll notice them lower the window net, and sit and wait. Penalties have only been handed out if NASCAR deemed it a safety violation.

    I only started watching NASCAR a few years ago, but in every incident where a driver during a race made any gesture or display of displeasure, they exited their vehicle after the safety workers got there. Any other incident where the drivers took action without waiting, received penalties, some pretty severe.(Kyle Busch, was suspended for multiple weeks from all competition taking him out of the championship, costing huge revenue, etc, when he made an intentional display of displeasure unsafely.) Kevin Harvick was give a $25,000 penalty for heatidly leaving his race car unattended to confront another driver at Darlington a few years ago. Harvick's unattended car ended up rolling into the pit wall, a situation that could potentially put people in danger = penalty.

    I don't understand your point at all.

    Btw, watch these two cars wreck after the yellow is thrown - you can CLEARLY see the yellow is kicked in as the lights are on behind the car, the track official has called for a yellow, yet these vehicles clearly wreck anyway. also watch how the cars come into the frame sliding sideways - not from gassing it to throw the rear out - but from hitting the brakes.(Also note on race restarts as the cars in the back in the turn gas it - the rear doesn't come out, but the car goes to the bottom of the track.)
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    If you ever watched some Sprint car racing from start to finish, after several events, you'd realize two things - Tony didn't do anything out of ordinary, and that Ward did an extremely unexpected move of lunging at a moving race car(driver).

    Since sprint cars have no starter, and no gearbox, a "yellow" is basically a chance for a car with a blown tire to get into the pits, its sort of like a "local yellow" in F1 - where cars zip by at speed but without passing allowed in the sector. Often - a car can be push started by a 4 wheeler after it spins, this is done after the car's group up again and form in a pack - leaving a 30-40second window to move the dammaged car out of the way.

    When a yellow is thrown - the first order of things is to bunch up - allowing a greater area of the track to be clear for anything that needs to be done. The drivers, simply follow the car in front of them, and the lead car picks the path.
     
  8. BartonWorkman

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    Next up, NASCAR officials at the scene of an incident armed with electric stun sticks in order
    to subdue angry drivers.

    BHW
     
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    You should of seen what they did to Kyle Larson yesterday when he left his flaming car early! They had some big guys tackle him, then they beat him up real good, threw him in a barrel of boiling tar and left him for the rest of the race, then used a catapult, lit him on fire and dumped him over the turn 3 fence into a pile of broken glass after the race was over. Yes-sir they showed him up real good. NASCARS knows they have to crucify anyone they can as soon as possible to save one of their NASCAR drivers, even if it means throwing another NASCAR driver under the bus(Or over the fence set on fire covered in burning pitch in this case)
     
  10. CornersWell

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    We'll see, folks.

    Certainly this has fallen off the front page, which is to be expected, but it's not over. Not by a long shot. If there are other videos we have not yet seen that exculpate Stewart, they'll be released at some point. At a minimum, they must be turned over to his defense team for use in trial (either criminal OR civil).

    WAY too premature to conclude he's out of the woods.

    CW
     
  11. asjoseph

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    ... intellectually bankrupt judicial system primarily geared for story telling, justice has little to do with anything. "If it does not fit, you must acquit," whether or not you pull it off, get away with cold-blooded murder: it's the story you have to tell.

    It better be a good one.

    Tony Stewart's defense: "...he was (1) wearing a black uniform, it (2) was nighttime, he was (3) younger than me, he was (4) disrespecting me, and (5) I never saw the guy, and it was (6) so dark I didn't see a thing, and (7) no words can express the sorrow I feel, and (8) I was talking with Jesus and he told me..." [SNIP]

    That's not a very entertaining story. Is it? That's not going to make for a very good made-for-television feature for the Lifetime Move Network or the Women's Entertainment channel.

    Even sloppy, tired old meatball race drivers, like our boy Tony Stewart, tend to have fighter-pilot vision, and lightning quick reflex. As untenable as it is disingenuous, the "blind race driver with moose slow reflex" defense ain't going to come out in the wash. Anyone with half a brain's going to see right through it.

    Our boy Tony Stewart, he's going to have to do an eencie-weencie-wittle bit better than that -- asj.
     
  12. 360Tom

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    How in the hell can you say that Stewart was ordered to stand down? Was that call made on the radio to all of the other drivers? Steward was not traveling faster than the car that passed Ward right before he went full dumbass and ran towards the car.

    The yellow flag is to make people aware there is an incident on the track. The only time Drivers would be given a stand down order would be a RED flag. This was a typical caution that happens time after time in racing. Ward took it to the next level by attacking TS. Yes, that is what he did. He made a conscious decision to run straight towards TS's car. Whatever his intentions were, they were driven by rage. He made a horribly poor decision. The only compelling thing here is that Ward was stupid and ignorant, there is nothing on that footage that implies TS did wrong. Not to mention TS was in a drift up the track when Ward tried to swoop on the outside.

    Unlike Nascar, there are no spotters telling each driver what's going on. Not to mention in a Nascar race situation, they are usually on 1-2 mile long tracks. Allowing a pace car to dictate the speed of the vehicles coming around the incident. As are there spotters telling drivers when a dumbass gets out of his car.

    There would be no thread here if Ward didn't act irrational and make a poor decision.
     
  13. CornersWell

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    To the extent that there is an in-process, on-going criminal investigation, the prosecutor's office will be considering all appropriate charges. If charged, they will charge the highest offense they feel the evidence supports (and all lesser charges). However, in this instance, I'm also certain they will be taking as much time as they need to get it right and won't bring a weak case. If that's the best they can do, there won't likely be a criminal trial. Remember, the burden is beyond reasonable doubt. I think that exists here.

    The OJ trial is certainly unique in some ways, but there is no doubt that a defendant with great wealth has a strong chance of acquittal on any charge. Or, at least a plea bargained deal that involves little jail time. The justice system is not perfect and the right result is not reached in each and every case.

    However, we have the presumption of innocence. And, we'd rather let 10 guilty defendants walk than convict one innocent person.

    CW
     
  14. CornersWell

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    And, there would be no thread here if Stewart hadn't hit Ward.

    CW
     
  15. wax

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    "As it turns out, that nail fell off your turnip truck."

    'There wouldn't be a nail in your tire if you hadn't run over it, so therefore, it's your fault.'
     
  16. CornersWell

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    Exactly. It can go on ad infinitem.

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  17. asjoseph

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    ... in hiding, afraid to implicate himself, going on two (sic; three) weeks: not one peep out of Tony Stewart.

    Stupefied in disbelief, hearts and minds plunged into abject denial, immersing their reasoning in the abyss of reassurance in the false brotherhood of organized motor sport, outsiders may enjoy this fleeting glimpse once again of the masters of the universe, organized motor sport insiders, squirming as they cling to their their fancy idioms, their elegant cliches and their peculiar belief system, groping to rationalize like Dorothy clicking her heels, "the only people capable of fathoming such a thing are motor sport insiders; the only people capable of fathoming such a thing are motor sport insiders..."

    Things are so bad in organized motor sport, drivers no longer merit faith or trust of their sanctioning body, even to the humble extent they won't stoop to running down rival competitors, on the caution lap! Courtesy of Tony Stewart, drivers are no longer allowed to exit a crashed vehicle, without express permission arbitrarily granted, by the sanctioning body?

    Thank you Tony Stewart! -- asj.
     
  18. normv

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    Hello, not sure whats youre beef with TS. The facts are not out nor further videos and you have come to your conclusion.

    Youre sounding like Michael Browns defense Team and stirring the pot before the investification is complete.
     
  19. jessup

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    I would think a case of defamation against asjoseph would be quite easy at this point.
     
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  21. Zack

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    Drugs are bad for you.

    It's dark, he was invisible, the car can only turn in one direction, and that's what he tried to do, turn the car away, as soon as he saw him. Sad, unintentional accident. Very visible rivalry and bad blood. But the accident was unintentional.
     
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    That does it. I can't take any more of this "theatre of the absurd" bloviation. Even though it does come across as parody, and I thought it might be that initially, I have concluded that you actually are serious. Welcome to my Ignore List. You are a stellar example of why every forum needs one.
     
  23. 360Tom

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    No matter what the sport is. When an athlete is under the scrutiny, his PR staff is going to do everything they can to protect them, it's their job to. TS is no different. Wether you a pro ball player under scrutiny for raping a girl or beating your wife, they're removed from play. They are put on a suspension till things are resolved.
    By your argument or obscure rant, you're be staying the wives of the ball players are responsible because they were there too.
    If Ward wanted to make his point, he could have easily done so in the infield, after the race.
    Instead he choose to act otherwise.
    What you fail to see is that this event took place because one person lost control of their emotions and let it get the best of them.
    Maybe TS is aggressive in driving. No one gave the intimidator crap for it.its part of racing, staying calm and knowing when the right time is to make your move.
    By not stating any facts, only your absurd opinion, you come off like a turd.
     
  24. asjoseph

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    #449 asjoseph, Aug 19, 2014
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    ... you saw it for yourself. It was not without good reason Tony Stewart punched Kevin Ward's ticket.

    The audacity of Kevin Ward, disrespectful of organized motor sport, disrespectful of his sanctioning body, disrespecting his elders, not 21 years of age caught red-handed, raising his finger in indignation and protest, in blatant contempt of one of organized motor sport's elite elder statesman? Brazen transgression of old-old unwritten laws tracing back to antiquity, pecking order for an instant turned upside-down, and inside-out, such willful individuals as this must be handled... expeditiously; with extreme prejudice.

    As such, Kevin Ward wasn't stoned, as tradition would have it for an intelligent, independent minded, free thinking woman. Nor was he beheaded or burned at the stake, a pagan, infidel or apostate. Nor was Kevin Ward merely banished, a heretic. Order restored, leaving no doubt whatsoever firmly in the minds of all motor sport insiders, the sprint car pecking order reasserted, justice meted out by organized motor sport's most esteemed and celebrated of elder statesman, it was with extreme prejudice and in great style Tony Stewart, a function of expedience and plausible deniability, didactically ran down Kevin Ward. Ripping him apart, he used him for traction.

    In both literal and figurative sense, nail that stood up got pounded down. Didn't it?

    Much like an honor killing in Islamic society, it's by the hand of Tony Stewart Kevin Ward sleeps with the fish. As with honor killings, neither father nor sons held to account for the daughter's execution, nor will be our hero, Tony Stewart.

    Heavily insulated by layers upon layers of the best handlers in organized motor sport, well safe from implicating himself, Tony Stewart remains in hiding. A knee-jerk, under active reading a tacit admission of guilt, NASCAR's newly legislated Tony Stewart rule: professional drivers no longer merit faith or trust of their sanctioning body sufficient to extricate themselves from crashed vehicles, without express permission of their sanctioning body.

    When Tony Stewart finally emerges from hiding, organized motor sport insiders will have coached him to such extent, our boy will emerge the most heavily scripted driver in motor sport history -- asj.
     
  25. kverges

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    this thread sure turned weird. I wish there was a "facts" filter where when new factual information was available it could be distilled from what can often be increasingly odd or inflammatory debate and diatribe
     

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