That's not a missed gear but a normal crunch that many Ferrari gated gearboxes make when cold? Couldn't they have warmed it up first? Nick Mason's car I think and not c/n 3505GT which is RHD.
With unrestored blue chip cars attaining more than their fully restored brethren, 3647GT could therefore attain a premium over most. 3505GT has a very original-looking body (no filler etc), even though it looks it has had a nose job or two.
I'm sure you're right. Look at 1.38 when he changes down fron 2nd to 1st. Sounds like the box is still cold. Which c/n is the Green GTO seen at about 12.20?
1995. If you can`t compare the mid 90s DM then you can`t also compare what the owners paid in the late 60s or mid 70s who still have their GTO in their parking lot. And don`t forget that the DM was always very strong currency. Also the US$ is not the same as it was 20 years ago. However - the Alfa 33 Stradale turned out to be a great investment, as is/was the GTO.
all of the '60s gearboxes seemed to be cold natured especially when trying to select reverse or 2nd gear the 250 SWB, 330 GTC/GTS,330LMB all would like to offer a slight crunch, it was easier to skip 2nd gear until the transmissions warmed up... that crunch would drive the wife nuts, she much prefers the Porsches which would not do that and were easier to drive...although she does enjoy driving a 12 cylinder under hard acceleration with the top down to get max from the sound
After reading your post, it occurred to me that you seem to think you have some claim to knowing what is best for "our little hobby". Why is that?
Going to answer my own question here after doing some research. The green car in the video is c/n 3767 GT owned by Sir Anthony Bamford? Would this car have been supplied new to its first driver David Piper by the Ferrari factory direct or via Maranello Concessionaires?
Walter, Of course it was a good investment, I was just trying to know HOW good. For certain, in the 1995-2012 period not 8 times. Anyway, I cannot see a car as an investment, only. Regards. Cris.-
Well, I agree with you reg. the investment view - but when someone spends so much cash ($$35m) for a car (or art etc.) he MUST care about the investment aspect!
how do you want to define valuable ? by collective monetary value, or some other subjective terms... it has 400 some cars in inventory, mostly Bugatti... is one specific marque more valuable than another, is a smaller collection of various marques with significant cars more valuable, is value determined by the collector as a collector owning perhaps one or two cars that have the most meaning to him in regard to Bugatti, intellectually I appreciate the marque, I had a neighbor that had a couple, we had fun with them, yet I have no desire to have one, their value to me does not exist...
Schlumpf Collection contains amongst others Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Touring Spyder sn.2311226 Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 A Pinin Farina Spyder/Coupé sn.412004 Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 B sn.412032 Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 B sn.412034 Alfa Romeo C52 Alfa Romeo Tipo 412 sn.412152 Amilcar CGS Amilcar Monoplace Decalee CO Ballo 3/8 LC Ballot 2 LT Bentley 8 Litre Saloon Benz Phaeton Type Velo 1896 BNC 527 GS Brasier KD Coupe Chauffeur Bugatti T101 Berline prototype sn.101500 Bugatti T101 Cabriolet sn.101503 Bugatti T101 Coupe Gangloff sn.57454-3 Bugatti T13 Biplace Course sn.2385 Bugatti T251 monoplace by Colombo sn.251001 Bugatti T30 Torpédo Bugatti T32 Tank sn.4061 Bugatti T35 A Grand Prix sn.4565 Bugatti T35 A Grand Prix sn.4753 Bugatti T35 B Grand Prix sn.4868 Bugatti T35 B Roadster sn.37328 Bugatti T35 C Bugatti T35 C Grand Prix sn.4928 Bugatti T35 C Grand Prix sn.4934 Bugatti T35 Grand Prix sn.4612 Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix sn.37314-2 Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix sn.37373 Bugatti T37 A Grand Prix with Engine Type 51A sn.37350 Bugatti T38 Roadster by Fischer sn.38404 Bugatti T40 A Roadster sn.40673 Bugatti T40 Sahara sn.40811 Bugatti T43 Cabriolet sn.43173 Bugatti T43 Grand Sport sn.43206 Bugatti T43 Roadster by Graber sn.43258 Bugatti T44 Coupe Fiacre by Gangloff sn.441205 Bugatti T46 Cabriolet Letourneur & Marchand sn.46125 Bugatti T46 Limousine by Gangloff sn.46188 Bugatti T46 Roadster sn.46287 Bugatti T46 S Berline by Gangloff sn.46560 Bugatti T49 Berline Gangloff sn.49576 Bugatti T51 A Grand Prix sn.51142 ex 4827 Bugatti T51 Grand Prix (ex 4594) sn.51124 Bugatti T57 C Berline Galibier Gangloff sn.57636 Bugatti T57 Cabriolet Saoutchik sn.57417 Bugatti T57 S Roadster Vanden Plas sn.57572 Bugatti T57SC Coupe by Carrosserie Ghia sn.57561 Bugatti T59/50B Grand Prix Bugatti Veyron Bugatti T35 B Grand Prix sn.4933 Bugatti T41 Royale Coupé Napoléon sn.41100 Bugatti T41 Royale Esders Roadster Replica Bugatti T41 Royale Saloon body by Park Ward sn.41131 Bugatti T43 A Roadster sn.43288 Bugatti T46/50 surprofilé Jean Bugatti sn.46482 Bugatti T55 Coupe Gangloff rebuilt in Roadster sn.55225 Bugatti T55 Coupe Jean Bugatti sn.55204 Bugatti T55 Coupe Jean Bugatti sn.55212 Bugatti T55 Coupe sn.55203 Bugatti T55 Super Sport Jean Bugatti sn.55237 Bugatti T55 Super Sport sn.55215 Bugatti T57 C Atalante Gangloff sn.57539 Bugatti T57 Coupe Labourdette Vutotal sn.57457 Bugatti T57 S Atalante Gangloff sn.57481 Bugatti T57 S Atalante Gangloff with "Aravis" type rear end sn.57471-2 Bugatti T57 SC Atalante Gangloff sn.57383 Bugatti T57 SC Atalante Gangloff sn.57451 Bugatti T57 SC Cabriolet "Aravis" Gangloff sn.57543 Bugatti T57 SC Cabriolet "Aravis" Gangloff sn.57571 Bugatti T57 Ventoux sn.57356 Bugatti T57 Ventoux sn.57611 Bugatti Type Phaeton 1931 CD Coach Le Mans Cisitalia D46 Darracq 55 20/28 Coupe Chauffeur Delage Type F Delahaye 135M Coach Dufaux Biplace Couse 100/120 PS 1904 Edwardians Ferrari 156B F1 sn.004 Ferrari 166 F1 1948 Ferrari 212 F2 1950 sn.0110 Ferrari 250 GT PF Coupe Ferrari 250 LM sn.5975 Ferrari 250 MM sn.0230mm Ferrari 312 B sn.002 Ferrari 375 MM sn.0450am Ferrari 500 TRC sn.0692mdtr Ferrari 500/625 F2 1952 Gordini GP Type 16 1952 Gordini GP Type 16 1953 Gordini Type 265 Hermes/Mathis designed by Ettore Bugatti Hispano-Suiza Sport Alphonse XIII Hispano-Suiza J12 Cabriolet Horch 670 Cabriolet Isotta-Fraschini Type 8A Beline ex.Rodolfo Valentino Isotta-Fraschini Type 8a Landaulet Lancefield Lotus 24 Maserati 250 F Maserati 300S sn.3065 Maserati 4CL 1939 Maserati 8 CM 1933 sn.3010 Maserati Biplace Sport 2000 Maserati GP 1936 Mercedes Type 28/95 Torpedo Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR Mercedes-Benz 38/250 SS Mercedes-Benz 540 K Cabriolet B Mercedes-Benz 540 K Cabriolet by Erdmann&Rossi Mercedes-Benz 720 SSK Mercedes-Benz W125 Monet-Goyon Torpedo Type MV OM 665 MM Roadster Panhard-Levassor 35CV Monoplace Panhard-Levassor Biplace Course Panhard-Levassor Monoposto Panhard-Levassor Type U1 Coupe Chauffeur Panhard-Levassor Type XS Berline Panhard-Levassor X8 Coupe Chauffeur Piccolo 7HP Coupe Landaulet Porsche 908 Langheck Porsche 956C Porsche 962C Renault Tonneau 1900 Renault Type AX Torpedo Rochet-Schneider RS Phaeton Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost Senechal Sport Roadster Serpollet Type H Simca-Gordini 15S Coupe Sizaire-Naudin 12HP Talbot 26C GP 1949 Talbot-Lago Grand Prix At a guess over a billion $ worth
Even considering the condition issues many of the cars there suffer from I'd say 1B $ easily. They seem a bit more interested in exercising some of the machines these days. They've even built a small demonstration track adjacent to the museum.
Can you guys help me out on this? I believe the Schlumpf Collection had at one time the Ferrari/Pininfarina 512S prototype from 1969, and then it went to DK Engineering. Who owns this car now?
Dear Kim, slightly puzzled by this open letter to me, the PM box is open. In any case, your invitation to drive your car is very kind, I wasn't aware of it, perhaps I missed it. Neil's work on vintage Ferrari is highly regarded worldwide, and it would be very interesting to see his shop. Perhaps I can fit it into my schedule one day. But I have not changed my position on replicas although I am pretty sick of discussing them, and I am deeply grateful for the separate section so I can avoid going there too often. I still have issue with replicas using original Ferrari material, as they impact on the ever dwindling stock of old parts that could be used for original cars (which no matter how you play it should have first dibs) - not to mention the horrendous practice of destroying a car's original identity to resurrect it as a fake something else, which is still going on on a daily basis. But my biggest issue is the one of pretence. I cannot stand replica owners that pretend to own something which they actually do not. If one has a replica/recreation (potato/potAAto) car, one should be a man and etch it into the window pane so it is there for everyone to see. THEN one can legitimately claim to own the car only for the driving experience and aesthetics, not to try and impress with another peacock's feathers as we say in Holland. So far, no replica owner I have met has avoided the trap of pretending to be someone else. It would be really nice for someone not to conform to my prejudices and proving that it is actually possible to live up to their own claims (honestly, I only have it for myself!). The very fact that people tend to get angry when their car is correctly described says bundles. But perhaps they are out there. I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised. Cordially yours, Onno
The issue of replica/reproductions being promoted as original was discussed during the lead up to the formation of the new replica sub forum which is a good first step. Hopefully this will lead up to the formation of an organization to doccument and promote replicas and reproductions for what they are. Such a "club" could serve to give these cars a place where they could be doccumented and legitimised and enjoyed in a format acceptable to all. Part of membership would be a "Ferrrari" fender decal clearly displaying what the car really is. By eliminating the "coverup" stigma this would create an atmosphere of open acceptability which would clear up much of the controversy. tongascrew