REDLINE RESTORATIONS...my recent experience attempting to buy their 250 GTE!

Geno

If these guys have such a heavy handed approach, why continue to chase this particular car? Why not move on and continue the search elsewhere?

 

Try getting the component numbers, should be easy as it is all apart, but isn't happening. I would think that matching number components clearly affects the value of such an old car, so when the seller is not willing to share them for a reason or another, potential buyers start walking away. Best wishes, Kare

 

if neither is cooperative, then IMO move on, a good seller (serious) would be accomodating and engage you ....i can't abide people playing games when it comes to a purchase (inquiry)

 

Gene,

Call my cell number when you have a second 619 840 7811.

Email is off-line for server work until Tuesday.

Ciao,

Bill

 

I was offered this car for 80k and one email later it was 100k...........??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same car??
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If the owner won't sell for less than $100,000 and won't guarantee the completeness of the contents of the boxes and won't let any buyer inspect the boxes, I'd say the that these conditions dictate what the consignee-dealer can do for you.

If the dealer and you entered into a contract to sell "as is" with no contingencies, then you might have a breach of contract claim against the dealer. The measure of damages would be the difference between what it would take to purchase a substantially similar car in the same condition, and the $80,000 price that you contracted for with the dealer. Because a basket case project with an unknown level of completeness of the take-off parts is unique, proving the substantial similarity of any alternative deal would be a tricky question. Probably expert testimony would decide the issue. The fees and costs -- and expenditures of time and emotional capital -- of such a litigation would easily outweigh the dollar amounts involved.

In any event, it doesn't appear to me that you and the dealer had the "meeting of the minds" to an agreement with sufficient specificity to be enforceable.

It also appears to me that the dealer is dealing with an unreasonable owner, and that this is the source of the problems.

As others have written, it's best to move on. It is highly likely, if not certain, that you can find a nice restored 250 GTE for less than it would cost to bring this one to the same level of perfection, whether the purchase price is $85,000 or $100,000.

 

Gene,

Very unprofessional of them to treat you this way. As everyone here said, dont waste your time and your money with these people. Not only they dont seem to want to disclose what you would be buying for an ever increasing price, they also treat you as if you were just a punk wasting their precious time. Not worth it.
Buying a car is part of the fun and they are certainly taking it out.

Andrew

 

Red Line Restorations, being an F-Chat sponsor, should know better than to play these games in an internet world. The corroborating evidence suggests they should publicly apologize and get their business practices in order.

 

Geno, as in previous emails, I had stated that the vehicle would be $85,000 but would be selling it restored at $185K. You had made an offer to one of the owners at Redline that I was not privy to for the unrestored vehicle, which sounded like it was turned down and you stated to me that you would have to stand by your offer. That was almost a year ago and as you could imagine, alot changes in a year including prices. You can not expect that the prices on vehicles would be the same almost a year later, especially if your offer was denied and you did not wish to purse any further discussion at the time.

Again, we apologize if your experience was less than desirable, but we could provide many references to attest to our professionalism and quality of work.

You declined the car almost a year ago at $85,000. Then more recently declined the car at $100,000. That is the consise summation of our dealings.


If I could provide you with any further information or help resolve any issues please feel free to contact us.

 

Geno, the car is my pics was later offered for 85k.........80 first, 100k.then 85k......all parts were there, matching number engine available.
To me it is the same car. Have to dig up more pics, cant find them now.

 

Yes Geno I erased the previous post because it was lengthy and did not get to the root of the issue. Yes that is the email I sent, I had to research and it took a while due to the email being from almost a year ago.

Your offer was declined when the car was offered for $85,000 almost a year ago. You then were offered the car at $100,000 when you showed interest almost a year after and declined the offer.

There is another employee no longer at Redline who was doing sales but I am still there. I put out what the owners advise me to.

 

Also just to add, the determination was made by the owner to sell it restored for the $185k shortly after speaking with you about it and your offer not being excepted.

 

As someone looking around also at the $100k mark, I also would not buy a car and boxes of parts without a bill of materials. However, its their car to sell and they can market it the way they want.

You try to make a deal, and move on if it doesn't work.

 

Hi Geno. I also did not mean to imply that you were claiming to have entered into a contract. I wrote "If the dealer and you entered into a contract to sell 'as is' with no contingencies, then you might have a breach of contract claim against the dealer." And then I wrote that, even if such a contract had arisen, the best thing to do is to move on. Also, that it seems to me that the moving target problem that you describe originated with the owner of the car, not the consignee-dealer.

 

It is the same car!

 

+1. Seems you want to win while the wind is in your face. I can understand your feelings, but if no contract, and hearsay info, it sounds to me, this one is not meant for you.

 

You were also offered the car from a third party who may have been a friend of the owner is what you told me, so you should also disclose that to the rest of the readers. Third party offerings are often not valid.

 

Just an opinion, but in a market such as we have today, I don't feel it's unreasonable to raise an asking price over a short period of time like 60 days, much less a year. New sales are recorded, and prices adjust accordingly, sometimes optimistically, sometimes correctly. Two months feels like ample time to take a former offer off the table, and re adjust. If you are looking for a price lock, I think you really need to place a depost.

As to the refusal to not inspect the parts boxes, that sounds like code for "not for sale" to me. At the asking price, there seems to be no upside in taking this risk unless you are looking to part it out.