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Vintage section Fake/Replica/Recreation/Rebody discussion

Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by Julio Batista, Feb 9, 2012.

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  1. The Red Baron

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    "A man should never be ashamed to own he has been in the wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that he is wiser today than he was yesterday."
    Alexander Pope.
     
  2. GTE

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    ok that sounds perfectly reasonable. Issue put to rest, I would say.
     
  3. TheMayor

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  4. Julio Batista

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    Now there is really nothing left for me to say.
     
  5. GTE

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    I believe s/n 4491GT finished second in the 2000 km of Daytona, not the 24 hours.
     
  6. GTE

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    but still...

    If you have the means I highly recommend picking on up.

    And that car was even represented as a '61 California. Indeed a disgrace! Now where is Sonny Crockett?
     
  7. rob lay

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    I agree unless Julio wasn't looking for a happy ending from the beginning, the only thing I can figure out from his bizarre behavior and lack of acceptance.
     
  8. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

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    #358 velocetwo, Feb 13, 2012
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    And the most recognized Ferrari is this
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  9. theowinstone

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  10. rob lay

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    were you really sorry and then now not sorry or are you still sorry? if you are still sorry then I think it’s pretty easy. as GTE posted we can move on because we believe the exact same way at the core about replicas. our only differences are on recreations and I would be more than happy to start a poll in Vintage about recreations (built with original GTE/2+2's), if the majority don't want recreations and rebodies discussed in Vintage we can move them. in regards to Redline subforum I will try to fix the bug of their thread titles appearing on main page under most recent thread. we can even have a poll about their subforum location in Vintage vs. just a link to their subforum in Sponsor Category at bottom. you say your very first apology about making mistakes with thread title and OP were sincere and still hold true, then I will apologize for my mudslinging too. how about it?
     
  11. Napolis

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    Yes sorry.
     
  12. GTE

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    Brutal. It is even loud in the picture.
     
  13. Napolis

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    It really is.
     
  14. ylshih

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    #364 ylshih, Feb 13, 2012
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    Julio - I took your apology to be genuine, but you actually did misrepresent Rob's position in it. To be fair to you, while Rob inappropriately criticized your English, I would note that I occasionally have difficulties completely understanding Rob's posts or notes too, they can be clipped or unintentionally ambiguous. So let's call it Texan instead of English and attribute the difficulties to that :).

    Rob's proposal

    is intended to "shake hands and move on", so if you now understand that he was genuinely perplexed as to why you didn't understand him and that you have apologized for the tone in the OP and he has apologized for his "understand English" comment, perhaps we can now move forward?

    As you have already expressed a desire to change the unfortunate thread title, I will do that.
     
  15. buster bram

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    At what point does a restoration become a rebuild.I think if its your money its your choose, so if you own it and decide to change or alter the colour from when it left the factory its yours do do as you please. Like jim G who buys and owns racin cars with period history and spends time reseaching the history there is a place for them. But I think weather its a multi pound car or a 5k smoker they are just NOT to be owned but DRIVEN. The car community is full of very interesting people and some NUT JOBS. i think Julio is a DOer and driver so in my book a good guy not a bus stop biker (English term!) just my opion for what its worth

    sean
     
  16. Napolis

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    #366 Napolis, Feb 13, 2012
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    Here's a question for all on either side of this debate.

    in 1964 David Piper chopped up an original 250 GTO to make it faster.

    Forty eight years later I chopped up a 430 Scuderia and a 430 GTC to make P 4/5 Competizione.

    Forty eight years later do you think David was "wrong" to chop up an original 250 GTO?

    Forty eight years from now do you think people will think I was "wrong" to chop up two original Ferrari's to make P 4/5 C?

    I'll go first.

    No.

    No.
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  17. dm_n_stuff

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    And there you have it. THE VOICE OF REASON, as always.

    Nicely put Yin!

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  18. cove26

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    I think you should keep the title what the OP titled it as. Why change it now, the damage has already been done by the OP. If he didn't mean the title to be what it was, he should have thought before hitting the post button.
     
  19. dm_n_stuff

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    I don't think either was wrong at the time. Both sought to make the most competitive car possible from the bones provided by Ferrari.

    Eventually, Piper's car was put back to original, was it not?

    I do not think anyone is going to try that with your P 4/5C. :D

    Now here's my question.

    Was Piper's car still a Ferrari when he chopped it? Still a 250GTO?

    Was Jim's car still a Ferrari, still a Scud or 430 GTC after his transformation, or was it something new entirely?

    Interesting discussion, eh?

    D
     
  20. TheMayor

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    No matter what side of the coin you feel you are on in this debate, the passion is extremely strong.

    That's a good thing.

    Long live the Vintage thread.
     
  21. tomgt

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    hahahaha +1 Jim
    Lets not forget David's 250LM.........different bodies, removed crappy ferrari instruments for (haha crappy) Lucas or Smiths
     
  22. GTE

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    At one time even Ferrari fell victim to serieproduction. And I have no problem in 'anonymous' serie produced roadcars to be modified into something that answers better to the owners needs.

    Take the 612 "Kappa" for instance, allthough that stays pretty close to the original Pininfarina design.

    P4/5 is a more difficult story. It is not easy to condemn GTE's being morphed into something else on one hand and applaude that same thing done to an Enzo, taking into account that about 1.000 GTE's were built, agains 499 Enzo's. But even than P4/5 is a completely original design. It is what it is: a Ferrari P4/5. It doesn't try to mimic some other car. And that is exactly my beef with GTE's and PF Coupe's being dressed up like GTO's or SWB California's.

    P4/5C is of course all good. To me it is best compared to s/n 2819 in the sense that it takes Ferrari fundamentals but clothed in an original design for the simple goal of making it go faster in competition.
     
  23. OhioMark

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  24. GTE

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    P4/5C isn't allowed to be called a Ferrari anymore. Correct me if I am wrong Jim, but the factory does not consider P4/5C to be a Ferrari. P4/5 on the other hand is formally acknowledged as a genuine Ferrari.
     
  25. rob lay

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    Being something it isn’t or wasn’t is the problem I have with replicas and fakes. That entire deception that many times the owner doesn’t discourage. I’m sure these are the same people that wear fake watches and hire escorts. So maybe I could understand someone trying to reproduce the “feel” of a 250 GTO. Same power, weight, and handling because they wanted to know what it was like to drive a 250 GTO without any care what it looked like. :D;):D How many people have done that type of Ferrari recreation? :)
     

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