Another Fchatter not held in high regard

Wow, mad props to Daniel!!!


PDG

 

A few users understand exactly why I did not respond right away. There were 6 pages full of opinions when only one side of the story was told and the other party wasn't mentioned. I don't agree with shoot first ask questions later and I feel that is what has happened in this case. I was shocked to see the responses generated from one picture and a post. I don't appreciate any type of threat or judgement made about me especially since I have contributed to this forum and many of its sponsors.

Anyway, of course I have my side of the story. Many false statements have been made. However I don't feel discussing private transactions on an open forum is appropriate nor entertaining. That being said I will mention that I have been on FC for 9 years and have done a few transactions with great results. So I certainly wouldn't have held this wheel for 6 months (3 of these months with no deposit) if my intentions were to just get rid of this wheel.

I don't agree with what has transpired here and since many of you, in my opinion, seem to assume guilty until proven innocent then by all means please feel free to delete my username and all my posts.

 

Let's all take a step back and let things cool off for a while... Greg has responded, and it's time for he and Matt to take this offline...

Mike

 

Reopened at the request of the OP.

Mike

 

"Decisions are made by those who show up." Dont show up, dont expect any support. And I dont think the "lier lier, pants on fire" defense is going to make anyone buy evasion.

 

Just another day on Fchat!

 

Best course of action at this time......

The seller does not dispute the condition of the wheel, which is deplorable. And he sits back lurking over the thread just loving the attention. Given multiple chances to offer compromise.

Not the kind of person who belongs in a high-end car forum. More consistant with ricer behavior.

 

Matt
After reading through all the posts(mostly because I am bored ) I have to say that not asking for a picture was a mistake on your part. I have found over the years that everyone has a different view of what "good" condition is, especially when it comes to old cars. It is very hard to tell from your pic whether that wheel is usable or if it is just cosmetically flawed. In any case, you already have a legitimate offer to make you whole(thanks to Daniel) which kind of supports the point made by the seller, that the wheel was in fact worth what he sold it for, even though that wheel didn't work for you. I have to say that a guy that gives you a payment plan on buying a part(which is a complete joke btw-I would have told you to take a hike for wasting my time) doesn't seem to me, to be a guy looking to deceive you. FWIW, I have been in many a similar situation and have dealt with it in much the same way the original seller suggested, so quite frankly I really can't empathise with you, as I feel you have just as much culpability as the seller.

 

Absolutely not!!! He asks for that so the Google will not find this thread the next time he tries this on someone else!

 

I respect your position but I must disagree. The seller could have resolved this in a heartbeat but decided to be difficult rather than just deal with the buyer in a timely fashion.

The seller let this get out of control.

 

Exactly. Buyer gave seller ample time to respond outside of the public forum, to protect his name. Seller watched the thread and ignored his opportunity to keep this private and then whines when he is outed, comes in here, calls the forum bullies, accuses the buyer of lying,says his side hasn't been told, but then refuses to tell it and wants to be given anonymity again by having his username and posts deleted. This is not the honorable way to handle this, but there is one person to blame for this and it ain't MB.

 

My offer doesn't substantiate, or discredit the value of the product as a usable spare. It was simply to help a friend (yes, a friend, and fellow Fchatter) our of a bind. My offer to him should have been via PM, because I don't need/want any Fchat visibility in this issue. My mistake, and I'm kinda embarrassed I didn't do it all via PM.

I will refrain from any further posts here, except to show a picture (hopefully!) of my new end-table in a few months time.



p.s. That doesn't mean I won't watch the whole thing unfold!

 

May I suggest a new slogan then for RA:

All New, All Original, All Genuine........except for this one wheel

 

Daniel,

Don't think you can get away THAT easily... we're all in this together now.

You did a great thing...a NICE thing...and you know what? There's nothing wrong with people knowing you did something nice..

I would say you just went up a bazillion notches on my respect meter...

But, you're already nearly at the top.. and have been.

mike

 

LOL

Actually, I like:

All New, All Original, All Genuine, All Class...

Mike

 

Guys what you have to remember here is that this was not a stranger to stranger transaction but an F-chatter to F-chatter transaction, if we cant trust each other then who can we trust.

 

I have to agree. Further I believe the buyer should be able to expect a product in usable condition. It may be true he did not protect himself to the greatest degree by not requesting evidence of that, but he should not have to. Not doing so on the part of the buyer does not relieve the seller of his responsibility to be fair and honest.

 

Agreed.

Early on, there were multiple FChatters calling for any sort of comment from the seller to the effect that it was either going to be dealt with, that negotiations weren't yet done, or with the elucidation of the counter viewpoint... such a statement wasn't forthcoming and the buyer had heard nothing further, despite multiple thread views and invitations to speak, so we assumed that "try eBay" was effectively the seller's final word on the issue.

What other conclusion could the community draw when the other viewpoint was completely withheld? Even now, the other viewpoint still hasn't been presented - instead we got a post that expressed disgust at the community at large for requesting that this issue be addressed, and an allegation of untruths told (without elaboration). I don't think we're unreasonable at this stage to view that as unsatisfactory.

Andrew.

 

First we try, then we trust.

Anyone with an email address can get registered. So, that's not a terribly high barrier to entry. And, you have to admit that a Ferrari community would be a seemingly attractive place to come if you're trying to scam.

But, the longer one has established themselves herein, and if there are actually real world relationships involved (if not directly, then through contacts), the more comfortable you can be. I'd never recommend getting too comfortable, though, unless you become regular trading partners. Even then, things sometimes go sideways.

CW

 

Daniel...Can you give me a price on a new respect meter. Mines broken....you bent the pin.

Lane

 

OK, but what are the criteria for being an F-Chat'er?

1. Internet connection
2. A PC
3. 2nd grade English or better (except in P&R)

There are some very forthright and helpful people on this board, but unless Rob has started doing background checks on 74,000 registered users I think you have to approach any significant transaction with due diligence.

 

+1

I said it before, this nausea seems to be the norm on Ebay, but this is a *community* and it's that fact that caused so many of us to climb out of our prams - A fly-by-night newbie would be long gone, but Greg's been around a long time, was offered multiple opportunities to do the right thing (*prior* to being named) and/or at least present his side of the story.

He didn't, even though we knew he was reading the thread. That's unacceptable and why Matt eventually decided to call him out on it in public. Daniel's offer, while amazingly kind and good for the community is irrelevant to the harm that's been done.

I suggested it earlier, but maybe we need a sticky in the ad's section listing "shady" sellers - But only if you upset the community at large do you get black balled in such a harsh (and public) fashion.

Cheers,
Ian