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I ruined my 355 seat.

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  1. BLAMPEE

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    #1 BLAMPEE, Jul 27, 2009
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    Well, after finally purchasing the Leatherique Rejuvenator and Pristine Clean I decided to test the system on the right half of my driver's seat just to see what all the hype was about.

    Followed the directions exactly....let the 355 sit in the 100 degree sun today for 6 hours with the top up, of course.

    Started wiping the crud away with the PC and I noticed it wasn't getting all the dirt up. Note that there were NO DIRT marks on my leather before I used the process....so it must have soaked all of the past dirt out and this was the result. So, I decided to use the "leather care" brush that Classic Motoring included in their kit.

    Wow! That brush really got down in the cracks and the PC was so dirty it was leaving streaks down the leather. I wiped it all up and noticed some dark dirt-like substance. So, I started scrubbing a little more vigorously with the brush. Most of it started to come off slowly. I was sweating profusely in the 90 degree heat at 8pm. This stuff works! It even cleans the stitching so it looks brand new again!

    OK, so here is the bad news....I noticed that some of the dirt that looked exactly like the stuff I was able to scrub off (if I used a little force) was not coming off at all. Hmmm...well lo and behold I start scrubbing and some of it comes off.....the rest does not. Also, I now have some chunks taken out of the leather. :(

    I have attached some pics.

    Pic 1: The thigh support on the front of the seat. You can tell what side I did the treatment on.
    Pics 2,3,4: The "dirty area" BEFORE I started scrubbing vigorously. 3 and 4 are close-ups.
    Pics 5,6: The close-ups of the damage I did.

    So, I am wondering....am I screwed??? I was thinking about getting the entire interior redone in new leather next year because I just did a huge 5-figure service/part replacement last month and can't afford new leather just yet.

    Is this something that can be fixed? I have heard somthing about redye but my color is no longer made by Ferrari as they switched the color of the Cuio in the 360 model.

    Can anyone help??? :(
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  2. James-NZ

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    Looks to me (and I am no expert) like the leather cleaner has removed dye that was probably applied to restore the leather. (Simple English, has your leather been redyed at any stage?)

    I would get a good leather expert to match the colour of your leather and redye it for you. If done correctly it will be very hard to tell the work has been done.

    I have been down a similar road to you, it sucks but it is fixable.
     
  3. jm348

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    +1...some dye was removed.......have it redyed and all is good.:D
     
  4. BLAMPEE

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    #4 BLAMPEE, Jul 28, 2009
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    Not sure if anything has ever been redyed. Car has had FIVE previous owners. So, should I continue and do the rest of the leather in the car? Can I use the leather brush that they gave me? It seems to do the trick in getting all the crud out of the cracks. It was A LOT of work just doing half of the driver's seat! Everyone makes it sound like it's wipe on, soak, wipe off. LoL.....not so much! ;)

    It sounds like I might be able to get it fixed then. Is redying terribly expensive? Do they do just the damaged area or do they do the whole seat?

    BTW, that leatherique stuff works AWESOME on all the rest of the leather!!!! Holy crap! People who complain that it is too expensive are downright crazy!
     
  5. rennspeed

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    I would continue to leatherique the rest of the car but I would avoid using that leather brush. I use leatherqiue every six months and never had the dye rub off like that but I also don't use a brush just a clean, mircofiber towel with the pristine clean.
     
  6. Night life

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    Thats exactly what happened your seats were dyed before and you did not know about it. Happens to alot of people including me on my Porsche, you can get it redyed though.
     
  7. f355spider

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    #7 f355spider, Jul 28, 2009
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    Trust me on this, that seat bolster was definitely redyed at some point in it's life. Like any applied "paint", the cleaning is causing it to lose some of it's adhesion to the original dye/leather. Not a huge deal, you can have it retouched up again, by a leather specialist.

    Tip: you can always pick out the areas that were redyed, as the stitching will pick up the dye, where the original areas the stitching will remain original, with no dye color.
     
  8. hpcubed

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    Well then I guess a good question would be that if you have had your seats touched up (re-dyed in certain areas) should you use leatherique? Or is it two aggressive for re-dyes?
     
  9. saw1998

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    #9 saw1998, Jul 29, 2009
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    Leatherique has a custom color match system for their water-based leather dyes. If you can send them a small leather sample, they can match anything. Worst case scenario, you can send them your headrest for the color match. You can do the re-dye yourself. I re-dyed my entire interior in my previous 328. Just remove the seat from the car, follow Leatherique's directions, and take your time. Sorry this happened, but it should not be too difficult to correct.

    EDIT: Although I don't see any, if you have actual "chunks" missing from the leather, Leatherique sells a crack filler paste that allows you to fix cracks/abrasions and color-match the repaired area.
     
  10. BT

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    If you get the dye from Leatherique I believe the Ferrari tan is called 3218 Saddle or some similar name. You can call and ask them what the color is, but I am sure I read here they know what to send for the tan Ferrari interiors.
    :)
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  11. pyroguy

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    Definitely recommend sending a sample piece to them. I sent them a cover for the motronic to match. The key to proper adhesion of the dye is prep work! Also, when cleaning avoid aggressive (stiff/coarse) brushes. Gentle is the key.

    Leather dyes used to be aniline based and were a true dye(penetrating into the leather). The new "eco friendly" dyes are more like a highly flexible paint.

    Cleaners and treatments for leather tends to darken the worn areas initially. You will probably notice that the contrast will diminish after a week or so.
     
  12. BLAMPEE

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    My interior is not tan. It is Cuoio. I have the color code that I got from our local Ferrari dealer somewhere. I'll have to find it. However, is this a job simple enough for
    any decent interior/upholstery shop can tackle? I would rather not
    attempt it due to my lack of knowledge.
     
  13. PCH

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    Personally I wouldn't consider any shops for anything where their work was classified as decent. If your unable to get a recommendation from some one here in your area I would contact your local Ferrari service dept. for one.
     
  14. f355spider

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    +1. Check around carefully, and ask a few dealerships....BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, and you will start hearing the same name...that is the guy you probably want. Or find out who is doing the higher end restorations in town...but most of them would probably replace all the leather, not redye.
     
  15. AHudson

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    First of all, you did NOT ruin your seat. You cleaned it perhaps more aggressively than needed, but that's very reversible. I did a Leatherique refresh on my car's interior, far more involved than what it looks like you'll need, and posted the link below.

    If you have ever refinished a piece of furniture, this is well within your talent range. Being a fairly confined area, you can probably do this on your own pretty easily, but that's a choice for you. I actually a good time doing it. Regardless, take a look at this thread, lots of good input from others, and it'll help you whether you do it yourself OR choose to hire.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237990

    Best wishes!
     
  16. saw1998

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    Great Thread! Re-dying is not difficult, just time-consuming. I think a lot of the trouble is due to people not differentiating between the older, vat dye-based method versus the newer, spray dye-based method in how they approach cleaning, conditioning and re-dying their leather . Some of the older (e.g., 308, 328 and 512) Connelly vat-dyed leather tend to feel like cardboard.
     
  17. h00kem

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    Call George at Leatherique (the owner). He can walk you through what to do at this point. You are removed dye probably put there from another owner. Easily fixable but unnerving at first I am sure. You can find George's number on the Leatherique website.
     
  18. Scaledetails

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    Looks like you've done the correct steps as per the leatherique instructions, now just go ahead and apply the correct dye and you should be OK. make sure George matches your color code. Their large bottle of dye will be enough for a few Ferraris. Make sure you follow the application procedure, not difficult, just time consuming. Good luck!
     
  19. BLAMPEE

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    I just want to say thank you to all of my brothers for alleviating my fears that I ruined my seats. It looks ten times worse in person. :(

    I have been soaking the entire interior in rejuv since yesterday morning. I will PC the whole thing tomorrow morning--guess I'll find out if any other part has been redyed. I gotta tell ya, though, it didn't look dyed at all. The seats appeared to be in great shape. I am going to take her down to see if the upholstery shop can handle doing the redye. I have very little free time as my job takes me away from home for weeks at a time. They did some restoration work on my boot cover when I first got the car and it looks great.

    Again, thank you to all who responded. I will keep you informed and will post some pics when her entire interior is completely restored by the leatherique process.

    PS...also have rejuv soaking into my 2004 BMW 330ci ZHP, too. Leather is in amazing condition but I figured what the heck. ;)
     
  20. LRPMAN

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    Looking at the pictures I must agree that the seat has been refinished at one point. This is NORMAL since the refinish DID NOT pentrate the leather and is was sitting on top.
    A simple color match and wipedye will solve your problems.
     
  21. BLAMPEE

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    #21 BLAMPEE, Aug 1, 2009
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    Well, I just PC'd the entire interior....every piece of leather in the car.

    HOLY #%@*!!!! I don't understand why the entire world doesn't swear by Leatherique! How is it even possible that someone would use another product after trying out this system? My leather literally looks brand new!!! :D:D:D I was looking into options of replacing the entire interior at a cost of thousands of dollars and this $80 system did almost the same exact thing new leather would have done. And I didn't even know I had cream color stitching! This system even brings the stitching back to its OEM color!!! :D

    I did not take many before and after pics, but here are a couple close-ups (sorry for the blurriness):

    First pic is the untreated left side of the driver's seat.
    Second pic is after the treatment.

    I am currently SOAKING (is there such a thing as too much Rejuventor Oil soaking into a seriously needed piece of leather?) the entire boot cover today. I took about 4 "before" pics of some close-ups that are not blurry this time (lol). I will post the "before and afters" of the boot cover Sunday night. :)

    BTW, sending George a leather sample Monday so he can send me some re-dye. My upholstery shop said they could handle a simple touch-up/redye.

    Can't wait!!! :)
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  22. h00kem

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    Nice job. Turned out great. Agree, don't know why anyone would pay $6k for new leather (unless it is torn) when they could dye with Leatherique and get the same results. Congrats!
     
  23. BLAMPEE

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    #23 BLAMPEE, Aug 1, 2009
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  24. LRPMAN

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    Guess you did NOT ruin the interior after all.
    Glad my dads stuff worked for you.
     
  25. tashier

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    Wow, looks Great!
     

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