Rob, while I applaud your decision, I don't think the problem will go away that easily. From what I gather the problem arises because some people are unsure of Andrew because of some statements he has made in the past. For it to be resolved, all that needs to be done is answer what appears to be a few simple questions. Once answered this matter can be put to rest permanently and stevef can find some other obsession. Being a moderator is'nt easy and having accusations flying around just makes the job harder, if not impossible. So basically Andrew needs to confront his critics, otherwise things will just get worse. I believe some of the questions that are asked by various peoople are as follows: 1. What is the actual name of his registered company? Andrew has stated he has a stake in Cheshire Sport & Offroad Ltd. However, others state that no such company exists. I've checked myself and indeed it's not on the register. I also have his company letterhead in my possesion which clearly states the company as a Ltd company. If it is proved that the company does not exist, then andrew would be breaking the law by wrongly stating that he has a Ltd company. Solution: Andrew just needs to provide the company registration number to prove everyone wrong. Simple as that. 2. Is he involved in a Ferrari/Maserati business? Some people believe either wrongly or correctly, that Andrew has no such business. I'm sure Andrew could prove quite easily prove that he has such a business. Plus it would be a great opportunity for him for some free publicity. I and I am sure many others would not mind him doing so on this occasion. 3. That nobody has met Andrew I've talked to Andrew on the phone on one occasion and so can vouch that he does indeed exist, although I have not met him in person. Neither do I know of anyone who has met him or dealt with him. However, I find this a trifling matter and unworthy of response from Andrew. The fact that people may have met him or dealt with him, but not posting having done so is irrelevant. There are many owners who don't frequent forums or the interent. I hope my post is not regarding as a witch hunt or aiding the protagonists, but merely an opportunity for the facts to be posted, the truth to be outed and any future problems averted. So I hope that Andrew can post up the evidence against his detractors, if only to shut stevef up.
Angelis If you are in possession of a piece of headed paper from CS Offroad, surely it has the Company registration number printed at the bottom, as well as the Reg office? Why not simply search against that info?
I wish I could be an all knowing judge, jury, and executioner, but that is impossible. Especially for business maters and legalities based outside the bounds of FerrariChat.com. I think the fairest and best course of action for FerrariChat.com is to not take sides on external issues, but to take actions that reasonably protect our users and create a positive environment for active participation. The actions by FerrariChat.com will not indicate any side taken, but only an effort to work towards a positive environment for active participation. Actions may be taken against individual users if determined those users are disruptive and working against our goal of a positive environment for active participation. Actions may be taken to reorganize the moderator structure if believed the change will help our goal of a positive environment for active participation. Again, all actions administratively do not indicate a position on external matters not directly related to FerrariChat.com.
Rob I can totally understand your position in not wanting to get too involved. It seems that Andrew has been checking the posts but has obviously chosen not to respond. I think the issues raised are serious because he is a mod, and has stated his position as an expert and specialist. Personally i have nothing against Andrew as he has been helpful to me, but if these points raised by steve and crew appear to be true then I think it would be inappropriate for Andrew to remain as Mod, maybe even on the site. Im sure people have been banned for lies in the past and Andrew is not helping his cause by keeping quiet. Andrew - I hope you are genuine as I prefer u to Steve f (sorry steve), but if you are telling the truth then speak up man! If not then bow out gracefully. Like in politics this is one of those stories that will just not die.
Hey bluenose, I'm a greennose and I do agree it has been extremely pathetic recently but I would not blame that on the moderators. I'm sure the majority of forum users would agree that it is completely unnecessary to target specific indiviuals and make these unproven accusations public. That is what makes this place pathetic. With that aspect of things got rid of, all talk will be ************ or closely related which is what this place should be about. I detest the witch hunting and its the same people over and over again. It happens every so often and will keep happening until something is done. Its sickening to be honest and really brings down the overall accomplishment of this section. This forum is about everyone, whether they post or not, not about a select few. I can not suggest a way forward, only that these crappy threads that target specific folk are deleted immediately and the issues are dealt with privately.
It should be so easy for AG to refute these claims I am wondering why he is electing not to do so. The longer this goes on the deeper the suspicion. When does that make AG's position untenable, if it has not done so already?
This thread is crap! The UK section is now crap (yet again)! Rob, do us all a favour and delete all the crappy witch hunting threads will you please so we can get on with what this website is all about. Surely if SteveF, SteveW, LeeP etc have issues, they can deal with you direct? Regards, Matthew
There are many other threads on this site where the term Ferrari Chat police has been used to describle those who have outed wrongdoers. Could you please explain why is it OK for them and not in this instance? If all such threads were to be strangled at birth there would be many more liars, cons and trolls on this site.
As for my opinion on Fchat Police type stuff, well, it is a necessary evil. My job is to maintain the right balance where the hoaxes, scams, shysters, and fakes are exposed, but the innocents left alone. That is tough, but I do believe a community run bottom up by the users will always be better for the users and that's what matters. Not what I want, not what moderators want, not what Fcars wants, but what the good FerrariChat.com users want. My job is to listen and implement the best I can based on what's best for the community.
Hi, what is a greennose ? Bluenose is a term used to describe someone who supports my football team. I must point out, i am a girl. I am an enthusiast, i am not an owner but my father and B/F are owners of the type of cars that are discussed on here and huge enthusiasts. Both have read this site on several occasions and both have chosen to stay well away. Having looked on this site occasionally, its now seems that the place is full of crap with a few decent honest posters thrown in. That includes mods, owners, whatever. Its terrible to read.
The curious thing is that there is no record of Cheshire Sport and Offroad Ltd at Companies House http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/9fa683e395e792807de2d3236c6b0fb1/companysearch?disp=res&frfsh=1160146166#result In fact the name is available to be reserved for £25 http://www.uk-plc.net/companyformation/search.aspx?SearchTerm=cheshire%20sport%20and%20offroad%20ltd&ProductID=&ResellerID= And so is Cheshire Sports and Offroad Ltd http://www.uk-plc.net/companyformation/search.aspx?SearchTerm=cheshire%20sports%20and%20offroad%20ltd&ProductID=&ResellerID= And the even more curious thing is that AndrewG (I won't publish his full name, but trust me I've searched every possible combination of his name) is not listed as a Director of ANY Company in the UK! Now isn't that strange?
Hi Clive Certainly is! I did the same checks before I was banned and had the same response. He calls himself a Marketing Director - so he should be on the list of directors (Appointment) for the company (be it a trading name or not). Anyway - I think his silence says it all. The only way for this to be cleared up will be for an announcement from Andrew. He has told me in a PM that he will not discuss his business on a public forum as it's none of our business. We don't discuss ours you see. However, the last time I checked, my business doesn't claim to be a Ferrari / Masserati specialist with no record of me ANYWHERE! PS - thanks Rob for sorting out my problem. Lee
Do not misquote me, if you are going to use any part of this post use it in its entirety The majority of people who have seem to have an issue with me and my involvement with Ferrarichat.com are the same people who started CS almost a year ago, and vowed not to continue to use this site. I very much doubt the motives behind your posts are to further the UK section of this site or even for the benefit of other Ferrari owners, indeed given the number of people who are organisers/committee members or shareholders / Directors your motives for posting in this forum and on this topic should not be above question, given your financial interest in CS’s expansion and Fchat UK’s demise. Cheshire Sport and Offroad is a subsidiary / trading name of a registered limited Company, if any of our current or prospective customers wish to discuss our legal and financial structure they are more than welcome to call me for details. Demands from people who cannot be bothered to call to discuss any concerns over our descison to not publicly display this information will be ignored……. Please ask yourself this, what would your answer be if somebody asked you these questions. please also note that this thread seems to be about people NOT using CSO rather than acusations or implications that we supply goods or services of a dubious nature or heritage by people who have used us to supply goods and or services We have been actively trading, servicing & supplying parts for Ferrari & Maserati motorcars for approximately 2.5 years with the majority of our retail work being with the older 1970’s/80’s era cars eg. Mondials / 400’s / GT4’s, we have been used by a number of people on both this site and CS with both parts and servicing (the last user I met was “walclare” who was in need of suspension parts). We moved from our previous premises approx 2 months ago with the intention of moving into our new premises adjacent to the former Leverhulme estate, the refurbishment of that building has as yet not been completed and we currently remain almost homeless with our meagre band of staff spread between my office and our primary backers stables. A cursory search on Fchat will corroborate and will also turn up a few of the more interesting things that have happened (the Mondial 3.2 with rotten alloy wheels we serviced in the summer being an example) and the odd scruffy car I’ve bought in for stock, my favourite so far being the Dino 246 Gt in my profile pic (one of two we’ve had this year), I’ve kept photo’s and details of what we do fairly quiet (at least in My opinion) in the most part due to the constructive criticism of some current and former users of this site as well as the rabid behaviour of SteveF and friends whenever my business is mentioned. The search will also turn up the hours of free advice I’ve given to people looking for a Ferrari or struggling with a fault, however it wont show the hours spent on the phone to a number of Fchaters when they were unsure of what or even how to buy a Ferrari We occasionally sell / advertise both new and used Ferrari & Maserati parts on Ebay, where our Feedback rating is currently 100% positive on 70+ auctions, and have disposed of almost 3 mondials in spares over the past 12 months, indeed we are the only used spares retailer to offer a discount to members of both this site and the Ferrari Owners Club of Great Britain, even my biggest detractor SteveF has placed bids on items we’ve had for sale on Ebay……..something I don’t think he’d do if he truly doubted my honesty. One of the most common accusations is that I haven’t personally met anybody from this site……….yet another example of Stevef’s selective memory and research! I’ve met Zertec, Philjay, Swissmondial & Walclare and have been spotted by a couple of the other locals. As can be seen by the thread somebody dug up from last year I’ve been trying for some time to organise a local meet with little or no success , There is a Karting session in mid November that I’m organising in conjunction with my local round table that some fchatters are attending, which was to be the start of a series of meets Andy 308 and I had discussed. As I’ve stated before given the aggressive, rude & downright belligerent attitude of some of the posters on this Forum can I be blamed for not wanting to spend my precious free time with them when that time could be better spent with my Family and Friends. If Anybody wishes to ask me any further question they can ask me offline or via email to info @ csoffroad.co.uk Pic's below are of one of the Dinos we've had together with one of 3 mondials we've scrapped this year, and a photo of one of the Fchaters I've never met's Mondial outside my house! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Andrew Steve and I tried to call you several times yesterday (up to 1AM) yet you chose not to answer your phone... The people you have listed have all been to your house? We have threads where Phil came to see the Mondial at your house, not at your workshop / office. Indeed - I am willing to travel tomorrow from Leeds to your new office and have a look round etc even if it's not been refurbed. I do take some good pictures and would allow you to use them for promotional means. Also - which people is it that have been to your workshop to watch the Grand Prix? Have they ever posted on here? No ..... ?
Andrew - thanks for the response but still does not answer the question of are you in the trade. Reading that you offer no evidence.
Then what is "Cheshire Sport and Offroad Ltd" which is what appears on your firm's headed paper? I think you'll discover that there are serious implications for a business that intentionally mis-describes its' legal status, particularly with regard to stating that it has limited liability when it fact it does not! If indeed CS&O is a "trading name" of a Limited Company, then that must be CLEARLY stated in all formal documentation, and the name of the "parent" Company should be clear, so that trading partners are aware of the status of the entity that they conduct business with! I personally would always do business with a sole trader or partnership, as they can't hide behind the £100 Ltd Liability of the Company that they bought off the shelf for 69 quid in the Exchange & Mart!!! But it still doesn't answer the fact that in your profile on FChat you describe yourself as "Marketing Director" when in fact you hold no Company Directorships whatsoever, unless the database I've searched (Companies House!!!) is wrong! If you hadn't made the details available to the users here, you MAY have a valid point regarding discussing it in public, but it was YOU that made them public, not anyone else! You have represented your business as being competant to carry out pre-purchase inspections for users of this forum, and particularly with regard to your "respected" status as a Mod, many would take that at face value.......but should they? You are simply being asked to substantiate YOUR claims of competantcy, a not unreasonable request in the circumstances!
Want to know why people like me never bother posting? Read this thread. Not going to bother visiting fchat again. See ya guys.
Ha, if you are basing FerrariChat.com on this thread, you are narrow minded and maybe a little blind. Filter the good from the bad. Almost 3,000 new posts a day.
Looks like someone has spent all day writing a post that would 'seem' to answer the questions put forward, but in fact answers none of the serious allegations. Invite SteveF or Lee to your workshops for a cup of tea, show them how wrong they are and then enjoy being smug in front of them. Surely this would be the best way to show your have the business you claim and to re-assure people on here you are a trusted expert who knows what he is talking about. Surely a cup of tea with your nemisis is worth the reputation of you and your business, which it seems is very much in question. Andrew, you can stop this and prove everyone wrong - why are you not doing that ?
