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  1. Clyde Romero

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    You missed the point
    If your visiting and you can show that it’s not and issue
    It’s just like when your in Europe
    You show your passport to the official
    I am not from here just visiting, here is where I really live have a good day
    It’s a no brainer as we say
    Your like the other poster
    You don’t know how planes fly but you get on them !
     
  2. Gh21631

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    2nd dumbest post in the thread
     
  3. ylshih

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    Several posts here have migrated into P&R territory. Posts deleted.

    30-day thread bans for Gh21631 and RonH. Perm thread ban for ScreaminRevs.
     
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  4. Nospinzone

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    Thanks Yin. Actually, I think we all need a 30 day break from this thread anyway. I'll be back in the fall! :D
     
  5. Clyde Romero

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    Thanks Boss
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  6. PA32Pilot

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    Some of us don't register in Montana to escape taxes, there are other reasons. If you are worried about their tax evasion claim just file a Use Tax and pay for it on the CA CDTFA website. You report the sale, you pay the sales tax, you get a receipt.
     
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  7. futurelegendyyc

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    anyone know the rules regarding a non resident in the us owning and registring a car in the us
     
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    An MB SLR has been at a high end body shop the last few days. I got behind him today and Montana plates. Hmmm...
     
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    #710 Countachqv, Oct 15, 2020
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    this thread appears now to be sponsored by the States tax IRS or maximum socialism.
    getting ridiculous. Viva Norway, leading the righteous way thru taxation.
    Seems to many here are ready to support the wealth tax too as soon as it become law! There is a good case for it
     
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  12. Preston Joslin

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    More than likely no one is going to be seriously fined or even punished due to having a Montana plate even f they don't reside in Montana. I say keep on, Montana made the "loophole" for a reason. They wanted more cars registered in their state and they precisely knew that people would do this.
     
  13. Texas Forever

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    Not true. I'm aware of cases where RV owners have been charged with a misdemeanor. Montana is not the issue. Your home state is the problem.
     
  14. RonH

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    Totally agree. It is pretty obvious that Preston did not read all 711 prior posts in this thread, but he may want to read post #1.
     
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  15. LARRYH

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    this is the 2018 post that started this thread someone said go read it so I ask anyone know what the results of this were ????
     
  16. RonH

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    #716 RonH, Oct 20, 2020
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    Larry, you should look at post #50 in the thread. It has a video of a very good interview with the head of the Georgia Tax Investigation Unit about what in fact the results were.

    You will note right out of the box he says it is a felony. He goes on to discuss how Georgia is working with other states and talks about the $1.5 Million charged to the 2 guys that were the original target of the raid.

    This guy should run for Governor. He is very smooth. He just wants to “help” the offenders get in compliance with tax laws.;)
     
  17. LARRYH

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    post 50 was very nice and sounded real good .. BUT does not say what happened to this guy.. I suspect they made him register the cars correctly .. I am not saying i agree with registering cars incorrectly ..
    be it Montana or other way...
    They made the video it would be nice if they said what happened did they charge him with a felony did he get 5 years or did they fine him and ask him to pay the taxes and get Georgia tags. which is what i suspect..
     
  18. RonH

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    #718 RonH, Oct 21, 2020
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    Larry, at the beginning of the piece the guy says “it is a felony”. So I am sure the perp was charged with a felony. If you are looking for whether the guy was actually convicted of a felony, it is probably too soon for that. Felony cases can take years to reach a conclusion (its only been 2 years in this case). Whether the perp is ultimately convicted of a felony depends on (1) whether the DA wants to make an example of him, and (2) how good a lawyer he has. Often, if the DA doesn't have a hard on for the perp (or the perp has a good connected lawyer), the DA will use the felony threat as a way to leverage a misdemeanor plea and a heavy, heavy fine. That saves the state a lot of legal time and money and lines the public coffers. Overall, with fines and legal costs, there is no way this is going to cost the perp just taxes owed (which according to the piece are about $1.5 Million between 2 people).
     
  19. LARRYH

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    I know what it said but would be interesting to hear what happened to the guy my bet is they settled for taxes owed but who knows maybe he got 10 years in prison this thread has gone on for a long time I find It curious that no one knows what happened maybe he got off scott free being charged is one thing getting convicted is another thing...
     
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  20. Texas Forever

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    Larry, some history here. The Montana sales tax dodge got it’s start with golf pros. You’d title the bus in Montana to save the sales tax. Then when the tour ended, you’d drop the bus off at a repair facility to get ready for next season. Except for maybe a couple of days, the bus wasn’t in your driveway.

    Then some RV sales guys started pushing the idea for personal RVs, which DID end up in your driveway. Next people started chatting about the idea on RV message boards (RVChat?). Eventually, just like in the original post, the states got wind of this and starting going after people.

    To repeat, the problem is not Montana. The problem is your home state if you keep an out-of-state vehicle in your driveway.

    I did a piece on this for Sports Car Market a while back. At that time, the only reported case was Colorado hit an RV owner with a misdemeanor. The was also one other case in Louisiana.

    I suspect you’re right that most cases just settle up, but who knows?


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  21. LARRYH

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    #721 LARRYH, Oct 25, 2020
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    Thanks Dale I understand the history of the Montana Registrations etc and if you did an article for sport car Market I suspect I read it .. I know many people who do this but I also know many people that have all their cars with Florida tags or a neighboring state registration, as you know where I live there are many military which are of course able to have cars registered in their home state or the state they are stationed in ....
    Thing is I don't really care what the OTHER guy does and this will be post 721 on a thread started by someone reporting about a big crack down a few years ago and how this guys house was raided etc ....
    I guess I don't understand why people are so concerned about what other people do....I say live and let live
    There are far worse things that happen everyday.....
     
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  22. Nospinzone

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    #722 Nospinzone, Oct 25, 2020
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    I can tell you why people who live in Massachusetts are concerned. We have what is called an "excise tax". There is a standard formula for determining the excise tax to be paid each year on the vehicle. The tax goes directly to the Town in which you live. So if I have neighbors registering their cars in Montana while actually garaging them here in Town, they are cheating me and their neighbors. It is not nearly as nebulous as cheating on federal income taxes.

    As far as "I say live and let live", I'm fine with that, but if they register their car in Montana, they should live in Montana. ;)
     
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  23. LARRYH

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    SO I guess the question I have are you concerned about cars with New Hampshire tags or Florida tags or Georgia tags or any of the other 50 states tags or are you just concerned about Montana tags.. cause beat 40% of the cars in my area have many different state tags ..so why would anyone be. worried about one state
     
  24. Nospinzone

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    Absolutely! If they are living and garaging their car in my Town and registering it out of state, any state not just Montana, yes I am concerned. They are cheating their neighbors of tax dollars they legally owe. There are towns that border New Hampshire, such as Salisbury, that have aggressively gone after residents registering their vehicles in New Hampshire.

    Also, Massachusetts has exemptions for certain circumstances such as military personnel and former POW's. I'm perfectly fine with that because they are operating their vehicle within the law in this state.
     
  25. ebobh15

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    As governments experience shrinking revenues in the aftermath of the twindemic, these kinds of things are where they will find some of the money to keep the lights on. Back in the 70s and 80s, people would import gray market cars into the USA (SoCal) and drive them around with dealer plates or unplated for as long as possible. Some of the cars didn't pass USDOT standards, which can cost quite a lot for the approved windshield, side glass, brake lights (remember the yellow Porsche taillights?) and side crash safety structures inside the doors. Others registered their cars in Oregon or Montana, some bought a car and tried to get 5,000 miles on the odometer, after which it could be registered as a used vehicle to minimize tax exposure. All of these tricks and more are known to DMVs, which tend to ask the state's police to enforce the laws as they become a problem. I know people who had gray market cars who were cited, and who had to spend $10-20K minimum in repairs to keep the car from being permanently impounded.

    The states are starting to vigorously track where you are (credit card records, especially those used for auto-related expenses) for a lot of reasons, mainly for car registration (if they are a high cost state), and especially for residency for state income tax purposes. At some point, I wouldn't be shocked to see an American version of the Guardia di Finanza as they have in Italy - my understanding is they are feared more than almost anyone else, since they can stop you and make you prove you earned enough money to buy the car you're driving, and also explore your finances almost at will. Think of the SEC with an FBI investigative arm and a uniformed state police division. As said above, everyone hates paying what they owe, especially when you know it goes to the same clowns who run things at the state capitol. That said, I hate people who register their cars in other states, and then park and use them in my neighborhood - I pay more because they're paying nothing.
     
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