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488 Pista Values

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by customryder, Nov 29, 2019.

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  1. jaywo

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    Have to say, as a person who owns a 458 and would love to buy a Pista at some point in my life.... If I could spend 75-100k less upfront by buying a car without a stripe, then sticking a vinyl stripe on it (if i really wanted it to look less "boring"), and then selling the car with or without a vinyl stripe 3 years later for the market price of Pista with a factory stripe minus 75-100k..... am I missing something ??
     
  2. Shadowfax

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    #402 Shadowfax, Jul 21, 2020
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    The stripe is key and part and parcel of Pista's model identification. The car also looks very odd without it. Ordering a car without the stripe makes it harder to distinguish the model from the cheaper less performing variants. The Pistas' which shift quickly and for the right money have always been spec'd around Ferrari's release spec. So the evidence is clear.

    Basically the price which this Pista finally "exchanged" for bought it into line with a regular version spec'd new 488. To recover this car now would require a high end paint shop to reinstate the stripe and an expert motor trimmer to tone down the blood bath somehow - or refit new trim parts of an alternate color - so it wasn't so horribly garish inside, but then the car would still conflict with the option plate. So basically it's a VERY expensive mistake for whoever spec'd it originally, and that has now been properly realized without any question or doubt. The car will also continue to depreciate heavily I would suspect as it changes hands for the same reason.
     
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  3. Shadowfax

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    #403 Shadowfax, Jul 21, 2020
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    I could start with by saying firstly you - or the dealer - will have quite a job finding a buyer who will entertain even taking it on even heavily discounted. So basically without a stripe it's a guaranteed ticket on how to commit financial suicide. And make a mess out of the trim selection/color and/or have a boring or odd exterior color only makes the situation even worse....if that's possible. Pista is a car where it needs to stay to basic theme unless you plan dying with it.

    So back to topic on Pista value, it's crystal clear once off the model theme is broken and also strays away from Ferrari's launch spec then the market interest shrinks along with the achievable sale price. The one's moving and bringing the right money are all within launch spec theme and, all with stripes.
     
  4. jaywo

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    Points well made sir, and difficult to argue against.... admittedly it does look the best with a stripe for sure..... my only reasoning I guess is that the only loser would be the original buyer who spec'ed it, not each subsequent buyer/seller who would command a suitable discount to take account of the schoolboy "no stripe" error in the first place.....
     
  5. Shadowfax

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    The original owner definitely takes a big hit and is a loser for sure but then the same thing happens - the losing continues- when the next buyer wants to shift it. Maybe its different in other countries but out here it's hard to change a certain mindset even when the price is reduced. So it's a situation where one really needs to think very carefully when they get all self indulgent in the Atelier room because the pain never ends no matter who owns it. Most buying Pista's expect the car to be easily recognized as a Pista and not some dumbed down version resembling a 488 gtb.
     
  6. jaywo

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    Fair enough.... Should really spec a stripe then, and if you don't like the stripe then wrap it in the body colour to disguise it..... otherwise, it's akin to buying bank shares 3 months ago hoping they go onto making new highs...... appreciated your comments to my first postings so thank you
     
  7. Carrerarsr

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    So you spec a car for the next owner or for the resale value not for your personal taste ? Strange enough. I like the look of my non stripe car a lot.
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  8. Shadowfax

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    #408 Shadowfax, Jul 21, 2020
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    I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't do if you are the one spec'ing the original car or, dismissing what looks good to you etc. I'm merely pointing out of the net result of the stripeless examples here and, the general sentiment of those selling these types of cars for a living. So far the evidence is impossible to ignore. Some first owners may be good with all that and others may not be so good with that type of result. Some stripeless examples will obviously fare worse than others depending upon choice of colors but the outcome is much the same - a downhill/negative scenario in comparison to those cars spec'd to Ferrari's designated theme for Pista.

    So when judging the outcome of a Pista's resale price one really needs to look beyond the actual figure achieved and look at the car and what it represents as an model example vs what it sold for.
     
  9. Coincid

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    If you do not like the stripes, and definitely prefer the car without the stripes, purchase a discounted Pista without the stripes. For a reasonable sum, , a highly qualified paint shop can paint any stripes or wrap stripes that will look virtually like the stock car.
     
  10. Shadowfax

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    At 3.0 he talks about the stripes...

     
  11. Coincid

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    Personally I agree on the aesthetic enhancement offered by the stripes. The stripe looks especially enticing due to how it flows through the S-Duct. And for this reason, it is visually appealing on the F8 as well.
     
  12. I almost bought a Pista sans stripe.

    In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't.

    And definitely bi-color.
     
  13. Rrr1

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    The guy in the video stated a lot of the carbon is standard. Funny I recall paying for most of it.
     
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    My preference would be without the stripes but then again I am not one of the herd who prefers Rosa Corsa .
     
  15. I believe UK (maybe even ROW) and US specs might be different in what is offered as standard equipment.
     
  16. Rrr1

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    Damn that sucks - I had to double check my build sheet and I paid ever penny for carbon. They even got me for 3500 for a mirror
     
  17. Art138

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    Many of the Pistas in the EU received full carbon engine bay, as standard. I have that useless mirror with a dated home link System that I cann´t get to work.
     
  18. sampelligrino

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    I look at it as 3k to get a decent looking rearview mirror based on what is offered as standard for Ferrari :D
     
  19. Solid State

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    Do the stripe but be a little different and let it go down the backside. That's how they were growing up and when they stop at the lip it looks boring.
     
  20. SoCal to az

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    This is exactly why I didn’t do Homelink. It sucks in the Ferrari’s. In my mclaren I programmed 3 garages in 30 seconds. In my 488 I have up after 2 days. In the Pista, didn’t even order it.
     
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  21. Shadowfax

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    When specing any car - particular an expensive one or, special version, it's always wise to strike a balance between what you want and what the next buyer is likely to want and work with that. It is also important to stay true to the model so not to diminish the core attractions.

    The reasons why some Pista's are sitting and having to sell under RRP are mainly to do with the spec of the car than anything else. It doesn't take too much to figure it out when you look at each car to see which is going to sell and which is going to sit.
     
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  22. wrs

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    It depends on the year of the car. It was sometime in 2017 when they updated the homelink in the mirror. I programmed the 812 in 30 seconds same as the 488 Spider and Cali T HS. I couldn't understand why others couldn't get it to work right. It turns out that older models need a bridge installed in the garage.
     
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  23. SoCal to az

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    Makes sense. My 488 was a 2016 so it never worked. I just didn’t want to deal with it on my Pista and never ordered it.
     
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  24. SoCal to az

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    I did exactly this. I got every single carbon option on the exterior including engine bay but skipped on stuff that didn’t enhance the driving experience or to me was just useless fluff. Car play for $4500. Skip. Upgraded radio, passenger display skip. Lift- skip. I think I have a well specced car that works for me and will be desirable down the road for the next buyer.
     
  25. Jo Sta7

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    How is the phone integration without CarPlay? Can you play music through the car? Do you even want to?
     

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