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488 Pistas selling for less than MSRP...

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  1. Clembo

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    Yes - unfortunately it appears that it is just another Bentley that Ferrari keeps producing :)
     
  2. Shadowfax

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    Agree. The mac is a long way ahead in areas which will count on a circuit.

    I actually much prefer the look of the Bentley in this case. Both will no doubt drive equally super smooth and luxurious.......seems to be a direction Ferrari is taking.
     
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    I dont know the inside baseball of the SPF90 to understand that reference. I'll have to google the reviews. Surprised not any talk on FChat in the section about it.
     
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    I’m going to add comment but with disclosure of the Speciale (for sake of modern analogy, until I get a Pista) vs F40.
    If I want an “easy” car to drive, go through Starbucks, drive through canyons, strap in my kid, or go to dinner with wife (after quarantine) then Speciale/Pista is the easy all purpose car.
    If I want to invigorate my soul, stir all five senses of my being, challenge my skills to the utmost through the canyons with clammy, sweaty hands, adrenaline at peak intensity, with requisite immense concentration and reaping that sweet reward as if I had aced a calculus test...then F40 it is.
    That is the better driver’s car, for me.


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  5. plastique999

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    Looks are very subjective, very.....

    (feel free to put up a poll)


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    To play devil’s advocate, could one say the same overwhelming power could be experienced by a 720S or 600LT?
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    Yes. 100% with regard to 720. Can’t comment on 600 as I have limited time in one.
     
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    The Pista looks more “modern”. The f40 is iconic. Modern could be considered “better” but nothing touches the look of an f40.
     
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    Ok so quick comparison of 720 vs Pista please?
    I really want a Pista but then I want to try a Mac......


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  10. SoCal to az

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    Lots of threads on this but both super powerful. 720 “feels” quicker. Pista more raw, louder. 720 feels more agile due to lighter weight and carbon tub. Pista more aggressive, they are both awesome in a different way.

    Which to buy? Pista will be the more rare and will hold value better long run but a used 720 could
    be the bargain of the century assuming you get one that is sorted out and well maintained.

    Drive both. If you have a speciale, I think you won’t like the 720 but who knows. I love them both for different reasons. If in Scottsdale ever- ping me. Happy to show you both.
     
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    I have ordered an SF90. I like the look - I think it’s daring, different and interesting. I enjoy looking at it. My first impression was over-the-top positive in Maranello but the unrelenting wave of negativity, no doubt from those who don’t want to buy one, has probably since dampened my willingness to be too effusive publicly.

    Being the fastest is not important to me though. Yes, ok, it has to be blindingly quick, feel like it has 1,000hp. It has to feel quicker than the Pista, not because the Pista isn’t already more than fast enough but because it sits above it in the range and claims a faster laptime.

    Beyond that though, what’s really critical is that it has to feel modern and truly emotional at the same time. This car points the way for the exotic industry and its move towards green(er) powertrains. Ferrari are the most experienced and best resourced developer there is - they should point the way. If this car achieves what seems difficult/impossible, it deserves a great place in history. It has much against it - no one has yet made a hybrid feel at the pinnacle of what is enjoyable about exotic cars, it is heavier than recent exotics (which, lest we forget, are heavier than what went before them too), technology is a huge part of the identity of this car and that has often been seen as an inhibitor to pure fun. SF90 has to make us lose sleep because we are about to go on a road trip, it has to make us sit inside it in our garage because we don’t have time to take it somewhere, it has to make wealthy people get their hands wet on a cold Saturday morning to get it clean again. It has to make us love it. If anyone can do it Ferrari can. And if they do, SF90 deserves to be loved because it will have done us all a massive favour.
     
  12. plastique999

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    For sure!
    Wife has relatives in AZ so I may hit you up in the future.


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    My interpretation of a successful sports car is when a manufacturer can provide all of the ingredients to stir the 5 sensations one expects from a true driving machine into their latest technology vehicle/s. Very few makers have shown they can achieve the perfect blend of these particular elements, often sacrificing a certain ingredient or, adding too much of one and/or not enough of the other.

    Note: I will refer the elements as being primarily sound (inside and out and, of engine/g/box drive-line), vibration (felt through the controls and inside cabin), connectivity and ability to modulate the controls (throttle, brake, steering, gearshift, engine performance and, power delivery). Then of course there is reliability.

    In the earlier cars usually one or more of these elements is always found to be either inadequate, unecessarily clumsy and disconnected in feel, and with too much of one or more element out of harmony with the remaining elements. So to say this is a good thing I'm not so sure about that, especially when you can have it all in the perfect blend in a later car with all the latest tech and design. I would however agree these near perfect examples of motoring nirvana are rare indeed nowadays but thankfully they DO exist.

    So, to suggest modern engineering has been unable to improve upon design and driving experience is drawing a very long bow indeed, as is saying the real thrills are found mainly in the older cars - not discounting the fact so many seek to modify the bugs out of these cars which detract from the driving experience.


    Absolutely. That applies to anything. When I look at an F40 I appreciate for what it was back then, viewing it in today's world, and, when I look at Pista I appreciate it for what it is today, viewing it in "today's" world.
     
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    The 720s will not appeal to you at all. It is the epitome of the modern trend of super cars.
     
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    Have you considered a 675LT? It’s raw and has old school turbo lag which some (myself included) find thrilling. Totally different feel than the Pista.
     
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    i have no emotion, no feeling, really no interest towards Mclaren but people whose opinion i respect wholeheartedly claim it is the best driving car they own (and these people own it all, literally). for under 200k it almost seems like a no brainer to pick one up even if short lived. it's on my shortlist and i never thought id say that as my eyes can't differentiate an MPC12 from a senna.
     
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    675LT is definitely worth looking at. I also believe they have pretty much bottomed out and dare I say they may go up some day. From a fit and finish perspective they were made much better than the non LT cars. They look great, have more than enough power and drive pretty raw compared to many newer cars.
     
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    Not only is it a great driver’s car, but It’s also handsome and will age well. I’ve told friends it’s the ‘one and done’ model for collectors wanting to dabble in McLaren.

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    i hear ya - how is it that they trade like a scud that's 11 years old?! the scud is my barrier to this car at current price points!
     
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    McLarens are more of a niche market than Ferrari. Also, I believe some are worried about long term reliability and maintenance costs since the brand is still relatively new. Fair concerns but it doesn’t take away from the awesomeness of the car itself. Besides, they’re cheap enough that one can set aside a contingency fund for repairs.
     
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    They've dropped like a bomb here. To think a couple years ago you couldn't buy one for love nor money and even so they were asking high 8's to 9, and now asking 4's and sitting is not a good sign. Good buying considering, but I foresee a continuing downhill slide that appears to have no bottom. While 720s can be had between high 3's to early 4's leaves 675lt in a bit of a quandary. I just cant see 675lt as the car Maclaren is going to be remembered for. Probably better to do a deal on a 600lt....or just buy a 720s.. The 720 has also proven better property than a 488 resale wise. Although i'm sure in us pricing they'd be even more of a gift again. Some very keen buying now. Not many 675's for sale, and good examples, but still don't seem to be shifting. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/mclaren/675lt/ I have a feeling 765 has now popped a big nail into its coffin.
     
  23. ttforcefed

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    675 over 720? similar prices now from what i see.
     
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    I drove a 720s once and definitely prefer the 675. Acceleration felt similar but the LT is more of an occasion. I suspect that nicely spec’d LTs will all soon be in strong hands with owners who intend to hold onto them for a while. If prices remain depressed, I may pick up a Spider as well. Actually, several people I know with LTs are thinking about buying a second car. They’re a bargain.
     
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    cool thanks. that seems to be concensus.
     

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