Wich make it even more ridiculous, so they ban it for 2021 because they think it goes against the spirit of the law...in that case, why let Merc develop and use it for 2020? they should just said no the first time Merc asked about it! If it's not good enough for 2021, it certainly isn't good enough for 2020.
70% of the teams condemn the FIA in this saga. Only the 2 Ferrari customer teams couldn't join the protest. This must make the FIA very uncomfortable as its authority is openly questioned. More to come, surely ...
Well, probably some of those 70% protested only because they´re customers of somebody else but actually don´t give a ****.
https://f1-insider.com/f1/ferrarigate-teams-fordern-offenlegung-des-deals/ it was wolff who sent a letter to all non ferrari teams to jointly act against the settlement.. Son of a b++++
Well, Wolff defends his team. The content of the article also says that if the FIA had discovered that Ferrari had ran an illegal engine in 2019, the correct procedure would he been to strip the team of all its points and disqualify it for the season. That would have promoted 8 teams in the WCC, and influence the distribution of monies. So, it's not a small matter that can be shoved under the carpet.
Not so sure about that. The outcome of the WCC decides how Liberty distribute the money. If the runner-up in the WCC was disqualified, all the teams below would gain one place in the ranking and receive more !
Off course, he's pissed because Ferrari made it impossible for him to take carey's place as hea dof f.1...and since Ferrari took away his new favourite toy, baby toto wants revenge...what a tool
Toto threatening to leave F1 over this. Bye! If anything even better for Ferrari and F1 in general. Who watches because Mercedes are there and winning every race on top of it? Actually, wrong forum where to ask that... Btw where the hell is Camilleri when you need him???
The apparent lack of understanding of how the rules work (and have always been in F1) regarding the discovering of loopholes through innovation makes me much better understand an entire history of previous posts by this user Just for clarification F1 is does not have BOP adjustments and they do not ban things immediately they did not think of. Any team that comes up with something innovative that can be argued within the rules is allowed the duration of the season to use it as they see fit. Others are freely allowed to copy it and the rule makers are free to close that loophole for the FOLLOWING season. The F-Duct, Brabhams Fan car, and now DAS are all examples of this rule being applied consistently over time.
Except that, as always with FIA, rules are not applied consistently. The fan car was banned after only one race, Renault´s mass damper got banned mid season (despite it had been in use for almost a year and other teams already had copied it) and Red Bull´s blown diffuser didn´t get banned just because teams agreed to let it go till the next year. FIA always interpret the rules as they want, and if the rules are not enough, they talk about the spirit of the rules. Let´s leave the random tyre changes mid-season for another day.
As I´ve said above, I think that previous years´ results can´t be altered. And even if they could be altered, then they´ll have to go through the process of deciding in which races that engine was illegal and which not, and dealing with Ferrari´s appeals. I´m willing to bet that FIA doesn´t want to go through that hell.
Thanks for explaining it for me, it's sometimes boring to try and educate people over and over again. If there is something everyone should know by now is that in f.1 ..there is never a single rule, it's always a grey area, some get away with it, some don't. There are countless examples of inovations and solutions that were deemed legal and later were banned when someone complained...with the exception of mercedes, where everything seems to be legal, even when clearly is not. Ps: The fan car was't banned, Murray proved without any doubt that the primary function of the fan was not for aerodynamic porpuses, so the FISA agreed it was legal, Bernie however was much more interested in creating the FOCA than on Brabham, and he knew he would be boicoted by the other teams if he allowed the car to keep running (and most probably win the championship), so against the oposition of Murray and the rest of the team, he persuaded them to store the car and basicaly handed the title to lotus.
I know Felipe wanted for Ferrari to protest the 2008 results, because of the Singapore race, but Ferrari didn't want to drag it trough the mud and decided just to leave it as it was, just like they did in 1990 when Senna did what he did at Suzuka.
Quite possibly; but by not being transparent and deliberately vague and obtuse in their “ruling” they make themselves look like they are deliberately favouring Ferrari. Wether this is true or not is now almost irrelevant; the damage had been done. So you have to ask yourself, FIA can’t be that stupid, so they have deliberately opened up this can if worms instead of another. So what is this “other can of worms” they are trying to hide?!? Must be fairly bad, as the one they have opened is going to hurt!
True, whatever really hapened, there were certainly better ways to deal with it, this is a hidden cat with his tail out...or probably a cat out with a hidden tail!
This again proves how morons the stewards can be at F1: no matter what Murray said, it was obvious that the main purpose of the fan was aerodynamic. He even had to tell the drivers to not push the throttle too much when the car was parked in the pits because the rivals could see the car lowering when sucked down. And despite it was allowed to race the Swedish GP and didn´t get banned inmediatly, actually it was banned a few races later. I think Bernie saw that coming and didn´t want to go through that hassle.
I don´t have a clue about what was FIA´s intention with this, but I´d never underestimate their stupidity. Maybe it´s that they now know were the trick was but it´s too late to do anything but giving a public beating to Ferrari in retalliation. Or maybe it´s that they´ve reached an agreement about what is legal and this is just their way of saying to Helmut Marko to shut the **** up.
No doubt that the main purpose was aerodynamic but the rules stipulated 'primary function' which was proven beyond any doubt as being 52% for cooling and 48% for downforce. It is these technicalities that push the boundaries of the rules and push the sport forwards. There is no room for intention and good will at this level. That's why all the teams employ lawyers with engineering backgrounds to help challenge the rules with innovation. I personally love it. The problem with the Ferrari engine deal is how secretive it all seems. They may be totally in the right but by not letting anyone decide for themselves it smells bad on them.
