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2020 Barcelona Testng: Feb. 19th - 21st & Feb. 26th - 28th

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  1. SPEEDCORE

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    #126 SPEEDCORE, Feb 20, 2020
  2. Bas

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    #127 Bas, Feb 20, 2020
    Exactly that. It's far removed from the spirit of the rules.
     
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    #128 Nembo1777, Feb 20, 2020
    The Fia needs to specify no partitions or human walls may block the sight of the cars, this is ridiculous.
     
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  4. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    #129 Ferrari 308 GTB, Feb 20, 2020
    Have to admit it livened up Day 2 a bit..
     
  5. TonyL

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    #130 TonyL, Feb 20, 2020
    Totally agree but it doesn't say that in the 2020 technical regulations and I bet has been cleared by the FIA. By definition the steering is used to change direction of the wheels ! Are they moving camber?

    common sense says it for steering

    the track rods ends, swivel joints etc etc all have to move as a function of suspension travel, whatever it is, so moving the steering wheel as whole unit inc the rack column (which is fixed under article 10.2.1) must be considered as legal.

    Badly written rules and the more complex the more loop holes are found.

    Hope he doesnt push when he needs to pull:) which begs the question that there must be some sensors and / or safety parameters the computer software has to question before its enacted, or is there a manual device to "unlock the column"

    Does that fall within the FIA technical regulations?


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  6. jgonzalesm6

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    #131 jgonzalesm6, Feb 20, 2020
    Yep, the W11 steering inovation will liven up the 1st half of the season.
     
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    #132 DeSoto, Feb 20, 2020
    Silly rules brings silly ways of breaking the rules. Yesterday Renault removed the floor of the car to change the seat and the pedals just because they´re allowed to close the door when they remove the floor.
     
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  8. jgonzalesm6

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    #133 jgonzalesm6, Feb 20, 2020
    TECH INSIGHT: Have Mercedes just changed the game with new steering wheel system?

    F1 fans’ eyes were drawn to onboards of Lewis Hamilton’s Mercedes W11 on Day 2 of 2020 pre-season testing at Barcelona, as footage appeared to show him moving his steering wheel in the car to effect a change in the W11’s attitude. Mark Hughes analyses what’s going on inside the new Silver Arrows machine…

    Mercedes created a stir on the second day of testing as an on-board camera showed Lewis Hamilton pushing and pulling on the steering column, using a mechanism that appeared to change the alignment of the front wheels.

    Hamilton would pull the wheel back on the column as he drove down the straight (which had the effect of straightening-out the usual ‘toe-out’ of the wheels) and would then push it back down just before the corner, at which point the wheels would adopt their conventional ‘toe-out’ setting.

    Typically an F1 car will be set up so that its front wheels are aligned with ‘toe-out’, which simply means that they splay out at the bottom away from the centre of the car, with the top pointing inwards.

    The reason they are set in this way is to create a tiny delay in the front tyres loading up as the car is turned in so that the rear tyres do not have too sudden an instantaneous load placed upon them, which would make the car feel unstable on turn in.

    However, this means that on the straight the outer edge of the tyre’s tread surface is being heated up more than is the remainder of its width.

    With the Mercedes mechanism the tyres will be heated more evenly across their width as they run fully upright, but the benefits of toe-out can still be deployed into the corner. It will be of particular benefit on circuits with long straights.

    It’s a fully mechanical device, likely using the column movement to activate a lever acting upon the wheel hubs. It will add a whole new dimension to the tools available to the driver in trimming the balance of the car and looking after the tyres.

    The full picture of how exactly Mercedes’ system works will doubtless become clearer in the next few days. But one thing is clear: the reigning world champions certainly haven’t been taking their foot off the gas over the winter break…


    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-insight-have-mercedes-just-changed-the-game-with-new-steering-wheel.78KDOPX7xRy9YtaFZPCKC4.html
     
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  9. DeSoto

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    #134 DeSoto, Feb 20, 2020
    If they allow that airplane steering wheel of the Mercedes, I´ll be officially joining the thin foil hat brigade.

    That´s not violating the spirit of the law: that´s burning its crops, killing its cattle, slaughtering its body, defecating and urinating on it, burning its remains and making a tea with its ashes to defecate and urinate again the spirit of the law.
     
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    #135 Ferrari 308 GTB, Feb 20, 2020
    I think they mixing up camber n toe ..
     
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    #136 Flavio_C, Feb 20, 2020
    But wouldn't "track rod" be a steering component not a suspension component because it doesn't handle the vertical loads? ;)
     
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    #138 TonyL, Feb 20, 2020
    Intriguing how its operated dont you think?

    Is it a floating device and purely mechanical, it could get tricky under braking or acceleration or in a hard contest with another competitor. I would be surprised if its just mechanical without position sensors, can they use the steering angle sensors to give feedback?
     
  14. jgonzalesm6

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    #139 jgonzalesm6, Feb 20, 2020
    LIVE Formula 1 Testing - Day 2 - Afternoon Session


     
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    #142 ktu, Feb 20, 2020
    Great innovation, the W11 is a work of art. Reduce drag, fuel consumption, and tire wear all at the same time. They may be testing this system for next year.
     
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    #143 jgonzalesm6, Feb 20, 2020


    The system is called DAS.....which possibly stands for Dual Axis Steering (from James Allison in this meeting during the lunch break)
     
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    #144 Ferrari 308 GTB, Feb 20, 2020
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    Remember James saying they wont be bringing many new stuff for the second week ..like last year:D

    Technically correct ha
     
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  20. jgonzalesm6

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    #145 jgonzalesm6, Feb 20, 2020
    I never bellieve anything that comes out of the Mercedes camp.
     
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    #146 pappy.72, Feb 20, 2020
    OK, here is the argument that will put this dual axis steering back in the illegal section. The change in any suspension part is illegal during running, correct? Every team should argue that the tires are an integral part of the suspension system of the cars and not just the steering. The steering parts are just steering but the tires themselves are a part of both the steering and the suspension system. The tires are designed as part of the suspension system and they suspend the cars and takes vertical loads during the running of the cars. Therefore the tires are an integral part of the suspension systems of the F1 cars and they are not able to be adjusted during the running of the cars on track. It is clearly illegal! Now can someone get that message to the other F1 teams so they can put a stop to the cheaters at Mercedes.
    Thanks!
     
  22. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    #147 Ferrari 308 GTB, Feb 20, 2020
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    Bottas at it now..but he moved it backwards just before the first corner then pushed it forward immediately after just before the turn in ..go figure

    Evidently FIA new about it 'for a long time' JA
     
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    #148 ktu, Feb 20, 2020
    80% of the car is integral to the suspension. You might as well say the transmission, tub, and brakes are part of the suspension system.
     
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    #149 A348W, Feb 20, 2020
    for sure; others didn’t think of it so they will protest.

    Makes me laugh when Brawn says he wants to tighten up the rules etc. Doesn’t matter what rules you put in place, somebody will think of something clever to optimise their performance within them. That’s why the teams are full of clever engineers!!

    not to politicise the thread but it’s the same when people complain the internet companies dont pair fair tax! No they don’t; but like everybody else they pay what they are legally required to pay. Don’t blame the companies; blame the civil servants that wrote the rules!!!
     
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  25. furoni

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    #150 furoni, Feb 20, 2020
    Welcome on board, you bet you life ma(fia) will alow it, al teast untill they have secured the title, they they will probably say it's ilegal....
     
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