430 What happens if you rev to redline when oil is cold

Maybe the title of this post should be 'What happens when you lend your car to a friend'.

 

Call me selfish and crazy but I will not let ANYONE pilot my F car. Not even my wife. If someone is going to break it, it's going to be me. That's what I tell people who ask anyway.

Probably more on the selfish side than crazy...

I suspect the engine was on the way out already.

 

Long term damage. Not a single event.

The outcome of quite a few poor decisions, not just one.

The need to put in heavier oil to get rid of a bearing knock was a very big clue.

 

stupid is as stupid does

 

Thats like saying after 2,000,000 cigarettes the last one killed him.

Sorry, just not reality.

 

Yes, I am always amazed! PALM BEACH CONCOURS last weekend, some hotshot got in a stone COLD, No miles La Ferrari and just started revving it to the Redline. Ferrari engines are pretty bulletproof, just not stupid proof. Just because a car has low miles doesn't mean some Moron with a with an Ego hasn't trashed the motor.

 

Funny enough as a new safety measure I've just been adding a new feature to the programming of the 360 (and later F430) engine ecus which adjust rev limiter on the fly.

It's a new table that uses oil and coolant temperatures to gradually increase the rev limiter to final max rpm. So from a cold start you cannot go anywhere close to the red line.

 

Do you have a timetable, even a rough one, when your product will be available and what form it will take?

Thanks!

 

You cannot protect against stupid - the 10/60 should have been ringing alarm bells

 

That looks like my V8 Vantage's engine when I took it apart after it spun a rod bearing. I agree that this didn't happen from one event but after many years.

 

What car’s engine is this? I’m not technical but it looks very painful.

 

Pure stupidity, anyone who doesnt know enough to warm up these cars first before reving it up should be behind the wheel of one of these cars,,,fricken dumb

 

I had to let one person drive my car. My brother is 7 years older then me. When I was 16 in 1970 him and his friends had already graduated college. One had become architect. He had bought a new Porsche 914 and came by my Mom's house because my brother was visiting. He threw me the keys to the 914 and said take your friend for a ride. We spent 1 hr on backroads in it. When he found out I have bought a 430 37 yrs later he asked to drive it. How could I say no. I took a speedometer showing him going 165 mph. By the way, he still owns that 914

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My brother bought a Maserati Mistral in boxes many years ago when we were sharing a house. It took him six months to put it back together. He never let me drive it. I'll return the favor if he ever asks about my 360.

 

For painful, read highly expensive- probably cheaper to buy a used engine. It has buggered the crank which will need grinding and oversize bearings fitted- wonder what damage it has done to the cams and heads. This is a bottomless pit rebuild.

 

I do not agree with that, this type of failure (seizure) can happen in few seconds if defect in the oil circuit. I see it very regularly on industrial engines (oil pressure, air bubble in the circuit, play of greasing, etc etc).

 

Uh oh....you've done it now...

 

Well... I disagree. There is one very big factor in the scenario the OP puts forth.
1: the engine was already "knocking" for some time-- we all know that's worn out bearings. The remedy was to use "thicker" oil. That's achieves nothing. Add red lining when cold-- that's a recipe for disaster. The above indicates that the engine was either high mileage and or not well maintained. I'm putting my money on not very well maintained. After all the OP said it was a "rental".

I can only imagine the number of fools that "rented" the car with no concern for anything but their short thrill ride to impress.

as a side note; this is why I would never buy a 430 (or any exotic) that has had over a dozen owners in just 12 years. Think about it...

 

Rotating at 6000-8500 rpm a lot can happen instantaneously.

Agree the knock over time.

the crank carnage can happen in an instant of starvation heat rpm. All my internet Free opinion.

 

U got that right, i await the fireworks

 

And when you inspected this engine did you find said defect?


Did you not read the part about the bearing knock prior to lending the car out? Did you not read the part about using 10-60 oil to cure it?


You sir are an idiot.