There are plenty cars exciting to drive, not limited to 812 GTS. My 599 GTO and 458 Speciale especially. I need something more and exclusivity is a part of it.
I am sorry but the scarcity argument is nothing more than an ego boost. It has nothing to do with the car itself.
Keep your lessons for yourself, we don’t need your BS here. So back to 812 GTS, if you have an opinion please share it here.
You've given precise production numbers so you are more knowledgeable than most here. If low depreciation is a must for your then only numbered editions and hyper cars have the better odds for that. Looks like moving forward all production models will be similar low volume so the value of scarcity will drop drastically IMO. It comes back to the spec and the car itself and how well it is received which I think is a good thing. Of course, paradoxically not driving it is perceived as the best retention of value.
Seems to me there will be no numbered models except Icona series and LaF replacement, both of which are seven-figure cars most likely. Any idea what the next Icona V12 will be?
I may be eligible for an 812 “Tdf” having just missed an F12 allocation narrowly - have had other LEs. Wonder if it’s un-numbered whether the market will treat it harshly. Rear wheel drive on slicks at 840 bhp needs to be in experienced hands.....
I think you can look at the current 488 Pista Aperta and the 458 Speciale Aperta as a direct reference point. One is numbered and the other one is not. Besides the turbos, not having it numbered does that make it less desirable to you?
Of course as although the Pista is objectively the “better” car, scarcity is all in the luxury market. Look at steel Nautilus or a Burkan bag. The 458 SA was a maginificent amd at 499 examples very rare. Although the SA is softening fast I think it’s by far the better bet purely in investment terms, though one can never be sure. 599 GTO carries a much more famous moniker and is low volume but soft in the market compared to Tdf.
Yes. Both the turbos and not numbered. The 458 Special A also had rarity when low volume drove value.
My opinion is that the coupe is the better driver's car and that you need to get over your self importance.
I think it will be the same as other recent LEs, a big jump in price for the first year or so and then a gradual drift down as the next new thing is announced and people start turning their cars in for trade. IMHO it will be similar to the trajectory of F12TDF but with less of an initial jump due to larger production numbers. I think the smart move (if you want to get out of it) would be to not create a $$ TM car, I am surprised at how many "forever" spec TDFs are now available for sale.
Some of these special limited products are becoming victims of their own success. Birkin bags are no longer as desirable and expensive as they used to be. Not long ago they were selling at large premiums over the original price, today brand new, never used bags sell at discount. The most exclusive, alligator skin, priced new at $60k+, sell on secondary market at 30% discount. Natural progress with some of these things, nothing stays exclusive forever and it's a predictor of future prices for new, even "limited" Ferraris (IMO). Besides, they call "limited" a production of 800-1000 cars, I find it a bit of a stretch, that approach makes all models made in 60s and 70s "limited".
IMHO for the Pista Spider it will only be after production run is ended will the market know how many there are. The numbers are not huge, more than 458 SA but judging by allocations not greatly so. But the market dynamic is different now, Ferrari will have launched another 3 cars , and market premiums in recent years have been driven by relative exclusivity and above all by certain people wanting the latest car. When it is "old" they drop like a stone. For those customers it is not about the money but being seen with the newest and rare cars. Look at drop with TDF in last 6 months. Until Ferrari announce the next generation concept of V12 platforms, and whatever that will mean for the powertrain, will the current standalone V12 NA find its level. We are heading ever closer to a generation of electric only cars, even the last years of hybrid powertrains and GPF and will lose the edge and raw emotion of say a TDF or a Speciale. Even the standard cars of this last generation are going to very special cars to own and keep . We are also getting closer to the point when it is far better to buy these cars, as you want them, and keep them. Keep them a long time and enjoy them and cherish them. These really are the end of an era never to be repeated and forget just the numbered cars, any Ferrari is rare in the context of the total market. Some will move wit. the times, we will see full electric Ferraris in my life time, but for some of the oldies, the engine, and particularly the Ferrari engine will always be and will remain the essence of the brand. Would you buy a digital Patek ? Exactly. So stuff the depreciation, enjoy it, you cannot take it with you. ( nothing aimed at Scraggy was just the stimulus )
The 599 single clutch transmission in the GTO has made the TDF more desirable. Also the handling is much better in the TDF. They are both normally aspirated V12’s so why not pick the better car? In the Pista vs SA you have the last and most powerful normally aspirated V8 against a slightly better turbo. I own both, but if I had to sell one it would be the Pista. Unlike the V12’s which are similar the last non turbo V8 is very desirable. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
By that logic a 250 GTO should be worth no more than $250.00 Ah.......if only all things in life were so simple.
