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Will Lewis' career have an asterisk?

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  1. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    I’ve never ever use the term g44 or hater at all. Please don’t try to label me unless you intend to get it right. We are able to discuss anything we like of course, so if Elton wants to dress like a child’s toy, he is open for discussion surely


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  2. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Just a thought, would you like us to pm you our ideas for discussions first to make sure that you can edit them before we post? I always thought the forum was open for everyone to chat, but rereading your posts, it seems I may have missed the appointment of a posting czar to the team


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  3. P.Singhof

    P.Singhof F1 Rookie

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    Do you actually listen to yourself??? You complain being named Group44 (although I technically did not do so, but when it fits...) while you label everyone as "hater" that does not share your view???
    Seriously??? I give you back your last sentence...
     
  4. kizdan

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    What's next? Should we discuss furnishings Lewis has in his home? What appliances he owns? How about what cologne he wears? What other subjects can we come up with that have absolutely nothing to do with F1 to discuss in an F1 forum?

    Once again, troll, grow up.
     
  5. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    We are having a fun discussion. Please don’t attack me personally, I’ve tried to defuse things with you. Lighten up


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  6. kizdan

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    I complain about the creation of the childish labels - haters and group 44 alike. I do not belong to either group. The groups were formed by you trolls, as a way to separate fans, and keep the ridiculous crap going. There just is no end to it.

    Grow up.
     
  7. P.Singhof

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  8. Aircon

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    lol
     
  9. furoni

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  10. daytona355

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    WTF is that? ;)
     
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  12. Bas

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    Not really, the only people labelled Group44 are the ones that are utterly blinded and defend him (and attack others in his name). There are plenty of people that like Lewis yet do not get labelled G44.

    In case you haven't noticed there are plenty of nicknames for drivers here, whether positive or negative. I don't see the big deal. Get a sense of humour.
     
  13. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Hi guys.

    Need I remind you all of the rules within the F1 forum??

    Yup, I afraid I must.



    Be aware that the moderator team has had some complaints, AGAIN, about how you boys treat each other, and that's not good.

    So dial it back, or some of you guys will be out of here long enough not to be able to post anything about the last two races until they've been over for a month.

    Fair warning, enough of the trolling and insults.

    Dave
     
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  14. P.Singhof

    P.Singhof F1 Rookie

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    Fair enough...I guess "insults" are clear but how about "trolling". This word is used extensively here in this forum but it seems to be rather a matter of interpretation and not comprehensible.
    So I like to ask once and for all: joining a forum of a certain marque with no other purpose to tell the existing members that a driver of a different team is better than their driver and a driver that brought "them" 5 WDC without having any posts with a different matter....would you consider this trolling or only freedom of speech and simply expression of a different opinion? If you say it is the later I would like to know what you consider as "trolling"?

    Thanks
     
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  15. Bas

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    Yep exactly.

    How can it be that on a FERRARI forum, some people come here with extremely pro-not Ferrari drivers views, yet the it's considered ''a group of people'' who have different views (in this case pro-Ferrari), trolling? Ludicrous. As been said multiple times, it's fine to like other drivers/teams here, but don't expect a warm welcome when the team/driver beating Ferrari and everyone constantly, and then tell us that we have to love him and whatnot. Don't play the bloody victim game either. There are Hamilton and Mercedes fans here. Do we see them post constantly, gloating to us and demanding we love him? No. Because they're sensible and know this isn't the right place to discuss it.

    It was the same a few years ago when Vettel and Red Bull dominated F1. Vettel was mostly hated here. The Australians mostly disliked him, I was (am) a fan of Vettel, as where others here, but guess what...we all got along just fine. Occasional disagreement aside but it was all fine.

    We now have the same with Verstappen here, I and several others are big fans of his, but due to his numerous clashes with Ferrari's he's earned himself a cute nickname and a reputation. I don't think the reputation is quite fair but I'm not here sulking about it all day every day, trying to convince others that they should too be a Verstappen fan or otherwise, they surely must be haters. That's idiotic. Yes there have been (recent) disagreements but that's it.

    Now I just ask, why is it that the hardcore hamilton fans here can't play nice? To make our Americans moderators understand it a bit more, pretend this is the Red Sox forum and there's a small group of Yankee hangers on, in particular promoting their star player, who everyone in the world knows plays with a magic bat capable of scoring a home run time and time again. And all those yankee fans are doing is constantly praise their star player with magic bat, and tell us that our star player is nothing, and when we ''don't see the light'', they'll accuse us of being trolls and haters, incapable of understanding that perhaps, on a red sox forum, there is some bias towards the red sox. Although I very much doubt on a red sox forum pro red sox members would get banned so often when they disagree with the Yankee fans, let alone be threatened with a perma ban from the entire forum.

    Get it now?
     
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  16. furoni

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    What i find amazing is the fact that so many cry because we have a thread in wich we make jokes about Hamilton, (who is and adversary to Ferrari) yeat some of them are happy to insult Felipe Massa (a great Ferrari driver) in a thread created for that purpose.
    Go figure!
     
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  18. Bas

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    Funny that, no?
     
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  19. dm_n_stuff

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    Trolling is like porno, to quote loosely from the US Supreme Court, "It's hard to define, but I know it when I see it."

    I've been here a long time. This is my second stint as a moderator, Rob generously made me a Global Moderator, meaning no corner of Fchat is out of my sight. You need cooler heads to prevail in here. You guys need to self police. Not use the report button for retribution, use it when necessary, to slow down the nasty stuff in here.

    Understand, there isn't a single moderator in here who thinks, "Ban them all and let Rob or Jack sort it out," is the best option, or even a viable one. But you do need to see that this forum is for more than just you guys, and a noob entering this forum is going to take one look and go running for the door.

    Oh, and yes, it is a Ferrari site. But if you notice, we have sub forums in FC for any number of other manufacturers, and this one isn't titled the, " 'I love Ferrari, all others keep out' F1 Forum" right?

    I have one more surprise for you all. Not even all the moderators are huge F1 fans, and some that are actually LIKE Hamilton, or Alonso, or, GASP, some other non Ferrari driver. I was a huge Schumacher fan, still am, but that doesn't mean I can't admire a non Ferrari driver for his obvious skills, or understand that he often pushed the F1 rules past their reasonable limits.

    So, let's try to get along, stop trolling each other, stop taking cheap shots at EACH OTHER. Feel free to be critical of a team, or a driver, or an owner, or whatever, but remember that can slip slide into trolling, too. Diversity is what makes the place interesting. If everyone just posts, "I LOVE FERRARI, FERRARI IS GREAT" it's gonna get a little boring in here.

    Personal attacks here are back to ZERO tolerance. Trolling as well. So if you think you're about to jump off the cliff with an over the top post, be aware it comes with a price.

    Dave
     
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  20. dm_n_stuff

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    I posted here first because it's an active thread.

    There is no rule prohibiting criticism of any F1 team. There is a rule against trolling, and personal attacks.

    Let's avoid those. Purposefully antagonizing posts, if taken to an extreme, are trolling, looking to disrupt the forum.

    If there was a thread here doing the same to Schumacher, there would be an avalanche of complaints.

    Try to keep this stuff in perspective, at the end of the day, we're here to chat, have a good time, right?

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  21. furoni

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    Dave, i (and i guess we all do) apreciate the fact that you took the time to warn and remind everyone that certain limitas are being pushed ove rthe limit again. The f.1 section is always "on the edge of the knife" and i think most of us like it this way, but of course, limits are limits and should never be crossed. When i first arrived here i realized thsi was a "tough crowd" and still is very much so. It's obvious that this section is open to everyone, being a ferrari fan or not, and of course many like Ferrari but like other drivers or teams to. We all know that and we all accept that, what some people need to understand is that we also have the right to dislike other teams and other drivers, and that not all of us agree on how good a certain driver is. I don't feel the need to convince the whole f.1 section that Gilles Villeneuve was the best driver of all times (although i firmly belive so), and i won't accept that someone tries to force me to believe that Elton is the best driver the world ever saw!
    This being said, i love the f.1 section, people in here are feisty, some are very knowledgeable, some other don't know **** , but in the end, it's good fun, some guys just need to lighten up a bit.
     
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  23. daytona355

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    By the way, I'm supportive of his comment, not having a pop, don't want to be misconstrued
     
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  24. P.Singhof

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    First of all thank you for your reply...I originally wanted to thank you for your answer but actually you did not answer my question....
    You might understand that this is no satisfying answer ...You threaten us with bans for trolling but you are not just unable to specify what trolling is but even more you can not answer whether a specific behavior is to be considered trolling...
    Not a single of us said that everybody participating in this forum has to be a fan of Ferrari or its drivers....Here are a lot of people support other drivers and they are welcome and never been a problem. I do not understand why some over here behave like we want to quiet down other opinions, this is simply not true
    And this exactly is the point: There are subforums for other manufacturers and it would be interesting to make a poll in theses forums why the users are here. I am certain that they came out of interest for Ferrari and as they happen to have other cars as well they exchange about these as well. I doubt that many looked at google to find a Porsche forum where they can purely talk about Porsche and decided to join FChat only for this subforum.
    But this exactly is happening in the F1 section. We have/had people who purely joined us to tell us about Lewis Hamilton, they have not a single post about a different matter! So I still want to know why you think they joined in the first place? I doubt that the googled "Hamilton F1 Forum" and ended up here! They joined either for missionary work (convincing us about his "achievements") or simply to get reactions...I would say that this is exactly what is named "trolling"!!!
    And this was exactly the question you avoided to answer: is this behavior trolling or not? If so, what are you guys doing about it?
     
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  25. st@ven

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    Peter, please considder that the moderators are here for fun too. They might act as policemen now and than but as this forum has a highly emotional content. ( we ALL share the passion) do not expect a fixed set of rules.
    It's probably best seen as a gentlemans agreement to just treat other as you like to be treated.


    Why are people in this section? i can think of numerous reasons. Because you like ferrari s probably one of the reasons. Another is because you simply like F1.
    In both cases you can have your favorite driver, or team and it is most likely the same PASSION that drives a lot of these sometimes heated discussions.

    Combine this with the ease of writting from behind a computer instead of speaking face to face and you end up with discussions that go overboard.
    If we all just behave as we al do in normal life than we are not trolling i guess.

    If you meet a guy that is telling you on every occasion that he thinks that xxxxx is the best and that you are wrong about xxxxx what you do? You keep on replying or walk away? Same is applicable here.
     
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