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Artcurial Paris 02/2016 - Ferrari 335 S #0674 from Bardinon's Mas du Clos Collection

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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #26 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Dec 3, 2015
    Bryan, great picture but its a great candidate for caption the photo, while I can see they could be shaking hands (holding hands lol) what else, maybe passing a cigarette?
     
  2. GIOTTO

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  3. Marcel Massini

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    #28 Marcel Massini, Dec 3, 2015
    No, passing the chassis number of that blue eyed long legged blonde waiting in Brescia.....

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #29 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Dec 3, 2015
    Possibly, maybe a bottle of grappa?
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    #30 Marcel Massini, Dec 3, 2015
    Red Bull perhaps.

    Marcel Massini
     
  6. clive beecham

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    #31 clive beecham, Dec 3, 2015
    Perhaps 1956 MM
     
  7. Franco Lombardi

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    #32 Franco Lombardi, Dec 3, 2015
    Great car, and great thread!
    As Marcel and Dyke pointed out, for a real enthousiast there is no comparison between the magnificent and powerful Titans of 1957 and the 250 GTO, the 250 TR, the California, etc. The Ferrari four-cams - and their arch-rival, the Maserati 450 S (Tipo 54) - were full works racers driven only by the greatest team drivers of that era. Market values might offer a different picture, but, as Dyke wrote, driving one of those cars brings you into a different planet.
    I've never driven a 315/335, but my experience with the Maserati 450 S fully confirms Dyke's opinion. BTW, let's not forget that the Modena's V8 was usually giving to the Maranello's rivals 1 or 2 seconds per lap and the Tipo 54 never had an engine problem in its works career. Only stupid minor detail failures, sheer bad luck (Caracas) and poor and hasty praparation prevented Maserati by winning the sports champioship in 1957. Morover they normally fielded only two cars (one at Buenos Aires), while the more resourceful and better organized Maranello team could usually field four.
    In any case, all the 1957 Titans were difficult cars to set-up and maintain properly for private teams and they quickly showed their limits and fell into oblivion, particularly in the short distance US races.
    Yes, the sale of Bardinon's car might possibly cast a bit of shadow on 0626, but I'll be perfectly happy having both of them in my garage.
    BTW Bryan, the lovely Klemantaski photo refers to the 1956 and not the 1957 Mille Miglia, but this does not diminish at all our interest for those splendid cars
    Franco Lombardi
     
  8. thepinkumbrella

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  9. Bryanp

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    #34 Bryanp, Dec 4, 2015
    quite right - Castellotti was already killed by the time of the '57 MM. . . .
     
  10. Lowell

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    #35 Lowell, Dec 5, 2015
    That shows that I don't know much.

    On these cars, is the accelerator pedal between the clutch and brake?
     
  11. ggjjr

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    #36 ggjjr, Dec 5, 2015
    So true, so true....

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  12. tomgt

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    #37 tomgt, Dec 6, 2015
    The family already sold the GTO/64 a few years ago. Maybe not enough to pay for all taxes. LOL.
    Where is 5573GT?
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    #38 Marcel Massini, Dec 6, 2015
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    Not a few years ago. And 5573 GT was NOT owned by the family. It belonged to one of the family members privately.
    It was sold by that single person on the 11th April 2014 and is no longer in Europe today.
    This has nothing to do with the taxes.

    Marcel Massini
     
  14. Lowell

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    #39 Lowell, Dec 8, 2015
    Yep. Looked in a book as I should have done before.
     
  15. Manel Baró

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    #40 Manel Baró, Dec 8, 2015
     
  16. 375+

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  17. clive beecham

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    #42 clive beecham, Dec 8, 2015
    Not so. Taffy was 3 minutes behind Taruffi and that is an awful lot to make up at say 2 miles per minute at that stage. The numbers 535 and 532 tell you this!
     
  18. Terra

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    Therein lies a huge point of contention. The other two siblings (heirs) do not agree with that position, and have taken legal action in the French courts, etc.
     
  19. Manel Baró

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    #44 Manel Baró, Dec 9, 2015
    You are right Clive !
     
  20. nschots

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  22. Bryanp

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    #47 Bryanp, Dec 22, 2015
    wonder where they sourced the Englebert tires?
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    #48 Marcel Massini, Dec 22, 2015
    Rest assured that Pierre Bardinon had a bunch in stock.

    Marcel Massini
     
  24. Bryanp

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    #49 Bryanp, Dec 22, 2015
    As far as I know, Michelin last made a run of Engleberts in the late 90s, so any that are out there are pretty old and good for "show" but not "go". Wish Michelin would make another batch . . ..
     
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