Trade your Challenge Stradale for... | Page 4 | FerrariChat

Trade your Challenge Stradale for...

Discussion in '360/430' started by frank320, Aug 19, 2015.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    Those aren't fallacys.

    Wat's a "modern day" speed limit?

    Owning a CS doesn't mean you can't buy another sports car that's faster. Why don't you buy a Corvette if performance is such a big deal?

    OK. So the CS doesn't have good balance and mechanical design?

    I can bench press more than you.
     
  2. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,257
    Keep digging jason1st, let your glory shine for all to see...
     
  3. Casino Square

    Casino Square Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 21, 2004
    1,718
    Hong Kong / USA
    Full Name:
    Andrew
    Amen brother. Well said. CS rules (in my heart!).
     
  4. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

    Apr 27, 2010
    2,203
    LA
    Full Name:
    Dave
    You got a CS, presumably, at least in part, because it has more performance than a Leaf or a Jeep. You prove my point with your car choice.

    No one is throwing around magazine stats.
     
  5. Ingenere

    Ingenere F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Dec 11, 2001
    6,336
    On the Limit
    Full Name:
    Dino
    I usually leave these debates for the magazine racers and debaters, but in this case...

    First off drag racing in these cars is basically for those who can't drive.

    I have run away from more Scuds on a road course or a twisty road than I can count.... but that means nothing. Nobody is making money at a track day or a mountain sprint.

    If I remember a certain episode of Top Gear where James' 430 was humiliated by the 458 in a straight line. So, I am sure the Scud/Specialle gap is similar.

    It's a matter of choice. For me (in the real world), the CS is more than fast enough. When combined with the look, feel and sound, it is a great package.

    Enough with the 'bench racing'. Each are great in their own way, puts smiles on their owner's face and all would run away from a 250 GTO, but I don't see CS values approaching $50M anytime soon!
     
  6. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,767
    Pittsburgh, PA
    LOL!

    We appear to have gone from the "Airing of the Grievances" to the "Feats of Strength" portion of Festivus rather quickly.
     
  7. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    #82 Jason Crandall, Aug 22, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2015
    I bought the CS because they're rare and unique. This is the case for everything I own. I like owning unique stuff. It's performance is part of what makes it unique. But so are many other things.

    If you put any 2 cars side by side and give me a choice between them, "performance" is low on my list for the one I'd take.

    I'd say most CS owners feel the way I do as most CS's have no miles on them. Mines pushing 20K miles. I drive it. So go lecture the guys with the garage queens.
     
  8. RobScud

    RobScud Karting

    Dec 29, 2010
    149
    Full Name:
    Rob
    Not sure how many of you have driven a EU CS, but they are faster and much much louder than the USA versions.

    Also adding sports cats increases the torque drastically.
     
  9. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,257
    Yep, drastically faster! Shot in EU:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CDp-3NbnA[/ame]
     
  10. RichardCH

    RichardCH F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Jan 16, 2005
    4,661
    Well in Europe SCUD prices have clearly overtaken CS prices despite the higher SCUD prod numbers, so people are voting with their wallets at least ...
     
  11. RobScud

    RobScud Karting

    Dec 29, 2010
    149
    Full Name:
    Rob
    Was referring to faster than the US version.
     
  12. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

    Apr 27, 2010
    2,203
    LA
    Full Name:
    Dave
    Okay, then you're not the type of person I'm talking about. I'm guessing that performance matters to the vast majority of people on this forum. Why else buy a Ferrari? Just to try and impress people? Ferrari is about a lot of things, but at the very core is performance. In fact, all Enzo really cared about was winning races (not "uniqueness" contests).

    I'm guessing that most CS owners don't feel the way you do. The CS, Scud, Speciale are all higher performance versions of an already high performance car. The very thing that makes them unique is that they are specifically designed to provide maximum performance at the cost of less comfort, practicality, etc. My guess is that the owners of these cars bought them because they provide this high performance. Just because the owners are afraid to put a lot of miles on them, which will decrease their value, does not mean that the cars performance is unimportant to them. Your "logic" makes no sense. And I'm not "lecturing" anyone. Just pointed out how silly your point about the speed limit is.
     
  13. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,257
    Just let him go full rahtard. It'll be more entertaining.
     
  14. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    #89 Jason Crandall, Aug 22, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2015
    What's with all the personal attacks? Can't you debate without making it personal? When you make it personal you just lost.

    I'm not the only person in this thread disagreeing with you.
     
  15. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    #90 Jason Crandall, Aug 22, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2015
    Then why don't they buy corvettes? There's more to the story than performance.
     
  16. galt

    galt Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 19, 2005
    1,139
    To be fair comparing a corvette to the difference between the scud and cs is not apples to apples.

    The Scud is an evolution of CS. Same basic chassis but evolved quite substantially. I think a better or at least closer comparison is f40 vs F40 LM.

    I would go short in saying just because the Scud is evolved it is a "better" experience. Faster generally with a much better transmission yes. However, the driving experience is different and for some the CS or Scud will be preferable for that reason.
     
  17. arizonaitalian

    arizonaitalian F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Oct 29, 2010
    19,897
    Wyoming
    Sigh...this seems to come up when talking about the CS.

    I don't own my cars because of "performance" (if defined by speed and times).

    I choose them for the driving experience.

    I love vintage cars for that reason. I love 60s muscle cars for that reason.

    If I wanted only performance I'd buy a nismo gtr or supercharged vette or something.

    So, while I do love the scud, I don't want one over my CS (I'm pretty sure I could trade for one straight up, so it's not a cost thing).

    Similarly, I have no interest in a MP4 fax machine...or any turbo car for that matter.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  18. ttn27

    ttn27 Formula 3

    Sep 30, 2010
    1,116
    TX
    Full Name:
    TN

    +CS...Simple poetry at its best...
     
  19. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    That's not what I'm doing.
     
  20. Challenge64

    Challenge64 F1 Veteran
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 28, 2004
    6,299
    Full Name:
    Ron
    so true...

    And this isn't even a Stradale vs. XXXX thread. The bashers dog pile in on just about any Stradale thread and throw out crap like there isn't enough torque/power/whatever even though it isn't part of the OPs purpose at start.
     
  21. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

    Apr 27, 2010
    2,203
    LA
    Full Name:
    Dave
    I give up. This "debate" is clearly a waste of time.
     
  22. Spdrcrj

    Spdrcrj Formula 3
    BANNED

    Apr 22, 2006
    1,101
    Full Name:
    Jim
  23. redcaruser

    redcaruser Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 8, 2012
    2,419
    switzerland
    Full Name:
    daniel
    There are facts and there are personal expectations and preferences. It makes sense to separate these two different levels in a discussion.

    Fact is: the Scuderia is the newer, faster and higher performing car. Anyone who claims otherwise is blind or ignorant. Fine della discussione.

    Personal expectations and preferences: every Ferrari has its own DNA, has its own special charisma, has its merits. Therefore every Ferrari model takes place its enthusiast. Therefore, it may be that someone loves the CS more than any other Ferrari. The same is also true for the Scuderia, or just for any other Ferrari. At this level there are no right or wrong.

    I have a friend who loves his CS, I love my Scuderia, we both love Ferrari. I'm just wrong because I prefer the Scuderia because of its better performance compared to the CS? Is my friend wrong because he finds the CS more authentic, more puristic? Exchange of experiences, expectations and preferences makes sense, wanting someone to convert rather not, no matter in which direction. On the other hand, should I tell my Scuderia is not faster just because I don't want to hurt my friend's feelings? Are we wimps?
     
  24. galt

    galt Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 19, 2005
    1,139
    +1, Pretty hard to argue with this.
     
  25. Jason Crandall

    Jason Crandall F1 Veteran

    Mar 25, 2004
    6,373
    ATL/CHS/MIA
    Full Name:
    Jason
    I took my CS to this little pizza place last night across town. The CS is ridiculously fast and loud. I can't even get on it hard because of traffic and traffic wasn't bad. I'm sure the SCUD is faster. I don't care. I can't come close to driving the CS at it's full potential.

    There are 2 reason the CS has appreciated more in value than the SCUD and very well could forever:

    1. There are fewer CS's than SCUDS by a long shot. This is 99% of the equation. That's it. It's just supply and demand. It's not a knock against the SCUD.

    2. The CS is older and eventually the SCUD will appreciate at the same rate in a few years??? Who knows?

    I love all Ferrari's because they're Ferrari's. I don't care which is faster.

    If you're #1 desire in a car is "which goes faster on the on ramp"...... You're into the wrong brand. I can't say it enough.
     

Share This Page