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Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by Randy, Jan 14, 2015.

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  1. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
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    I'm on David Gooding's auction live for the past hour; seems like market quite soft, prices not strong as last summer. A 73 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 RSH no sale (est $1,250K-$1,500K), 59 Porsche 356A convert D, est was $225K-275K, auctioneer dropped the reserve and sold the car at $170K. Unrestored 1959 Ferrari 250GT California LWB Spider same owner since 1969, estim $8,000,000.-10,000.000. opening bid was $5million, agonizing bidding finally reached $7,000,000. that I believe was below the reserve, sold at $7mill; 1960 Rolls-Royce Phantom V Sedanca de Ville, estim $500,000.-$700,000. no sale. 1959 BMW 507 Series II, estim $1,800,000.-2,200,000. sold below reserve at $1,650,000. 1970 Dino 246GT estim $550,000.-$750,000., said to have been a factory development car, sold below reserve at $465,000.
     
  2. Struppi

    Struppi Rookie

    Apr 1, 2010
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    Did anyone notice what the 507 went for / was bid for?
     
  3. Andrewo

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    Dec 4, 2011
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    Toyota 2000 GT not sold with a high bid of $650,000.
     
  4. Wolf

    Wolf Formula Junior

    Nov 17, 2003
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    507 went for 1,650 plus com.

    Regards

    Wolfi
     
  5. luvair

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    Jun 4, 2005
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    Gooding: 67 GTC sold 875. Range was 750 to 850. DB4 no sale at 850, estimate was 1.0 to 1.4.
     
  6. Wolf

    Wolf Formula Junior

    Nov 17, 2003
    499
    Did the Maserati AG2000 sell?

    Regards


    Wolfi
     
  7. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn F1 Rookie
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    May 15, 2003
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    A6G sold at $650.000 hammer (below reserve).
     
  8. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

    Apr 7, 2005
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    Gooding Lot 25 Lusso $1.925 + comm. Nice SoCal driver. Range was listed at $1.6 to 1.8 which I thought was kinda low after seeing Lusso's go for $2+ at Monterey last summer.
     
  9. Caeruleus11

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    Jun 11, 2013
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    I think that Lusso is solid condition, not amazing. If you do the 1.925 + 10% = $2.1175... what would it cost to get to amazing condition? $300k? That would put this car right in the mix. This seems like a strong result, especialy given how soft the market seems due to world turmoil, etc....


    Either way, thats a really great looking car!

    Btw- thank you all for posting results etc. Fascinating times..... is this the market deflating? Or is it a temporary pause? We won't know until for sure until we can look back.
     
  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    250 lm 5899 - 8.75 mil. +BFF
     
  11. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    330 gts not sold - 3.5 mil.
     
  12. ersatzS2

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    Jan 24, 2009
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    I must say the Audi sport Quattro at $365K is a fascinating result. Meets every test of an important landmark milestone car yet cheaper than a 4-headlight 330 or yet another Dino
     
  13. Randy

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    what did the 365 Boxer go for?
     
  14. 300GW/RO

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    Nov 7, 2010
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    465k
     
  15. sferesten

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    Anyone know what lot 225 at RM 365 gtc/4 went for?
     
  16. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Lot 225 - approx. 290k usd,

    Will have confirmed results in next 48 hours
     
  17. mdw3

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    Jan 2, 2005
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    Does no one have anything to say about the events (or non-events) of the past three days in the Scottsdale auctions? It is strangely quiet here . . . .
     
  18. 300GW/RO

    300GW/RO Formula Junior

    Nov 7, 2010
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    "All quite on"...
    I would tend to agree...perhaps the "industry/hobby" has reached the saturation point? Sorta numb to it all, blase' if you will? How much can one wring-out of this dish towel?

    Jack
     
  19. 575

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    Does any one know what the fiat dino spider sold for?
     
  20. ag512bbi

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    Nov 8, 2003
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  21. R5Turbo2

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    +1, been asking a lot of people where are the **************results.
     
  22. GHG

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  23. 300GW/RO

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    Nov 7, 2010
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    Bonham's Daytona spider a no-sale @ 2.8m.....did not see condition.

    This RM car fresh resto

    Jack
     
  24. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #49 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jan 17, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2015
    Just to reassure anyone interested that once RM posts the results (confirmed) I will post a list of all lots and the sale prices. Same for Gooding and Bonhams. Dont really pay too much attention to the others, although they dont exactly sell a lot of Ferrari's. Watch this space and all will be revealed.

    My initial thoughts regarding the Scottsdale weekend is either we have seen the end of the golden weather at Monterey and its all downhill from here or a much more likely scenario is that its business as usual. I believe that most of the lots that haven't sold are unsold because of unrealistic estimates. The auction houses have got into a situation where they have a lot of auctions that they need enough star cars entered to get the buyers interested. Then they can add the filler and everyone sits through that waiting for the big hitters to come up. If you are a seller that has seen one Porsche 911RS or one Ferrari Daytona convertible sell for 1 million or 3 million respectively, you will perhaps entertain an auctioneer that is desperate for a marquee lot and will consign but only if they can get you that 1 million sale or whatever your price point is. The problem is that when setting the price point you as a seller may not be truly motivated and so you will ONLY let it go if you can maximise your return. So what then if there is only be 1 buyer that wants to spend 1 million on a 911 RS and he has scratched that itch whereas the other buyers only want to pay 800k, you hold on and wait. And what if your car isnt absolutely perfectly restored, a major psychological hangup is people looking at their pride and joy and believing it is a condition 1 when in reality it needs $100k worth of restoration to get it to that level, again you hold on and wait. This is glossing over a lot of factors but I believe the retromobile auctions in 2 weeks will show the same paradigm of great or rare cars selling for record prices and the rest heading home. And if the market keeps heading upwards over time the market will eventually give you the million dollar payday you so "richly" desire.
     
  25. amstokesdb9

    amstokesdb9 Formula Junior

    Oct 4, 2009
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    The Bonhams results are up
    Bonhams : The Scottsdale Auction

    Does anyone happen to know what the Lusso (lot 144), DB5 Volante (148), and the Carrera RS (166) were bid to?
     

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