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400a Starter Motor

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  1. rustytractor

    rustytractor Formula 3

    Mar 25, 2012
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    London
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    Russell Schacter
    Looks like the starter in my 1978 400a is on its last legs. Can anyone advise on how difficult a job this is to do at home without a car lift and what specialist tools (if any) are required.*

    I've seen high torque reduction gear starters advertised, does anyone have experience of these and can recommend a decent supplier or point me in the opposite direction of suppliers to avoid. I'm based in London, England*

    Thanks,

    Russ
     
  2. alastairhouston

    alastairhouston Formula Junior

    Apr 19, 2009
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    Largs Scotland UK
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    Alastair Houston
    Hi Russell
    Sorry to hear about that, Although I didnt do it myself I did have it done before, mine was taken out and refurbished.
    I am pretty sure you have to take the exhaust manifold on the starter side off to gain access.
    Regards from Scotland
    Alastair
     
  3. flat-12

    flat-12 Formula Junior

    Mar 18, 2011
    355
    Germany
    Had a rebuild on our Daytona starter this year (shouldn't be that different). It's not that easy to get the starter, you have take the exhaust manifold off and you have to lift the engine to get the manifold out of the engine compartment of the Daytona (perhaps you don't need to lift the engine to get the manifold out). I would try to get a car lift!

    There is no need for some specialist tools, but I highly advise some thin walled spanners for the manifold and some kind of uniflex socket (Stahlwille 47 uniflex socket).
    (12mm for a 1970 Daytona, don't know if your 400A has the same size)

    http://www.stahlwille-online.de/index.php?amac=03030002000e&sid=f1b27352879de653549f21ce05a86b38&lid=2&mid=2&shid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=2616&cid=3044&pid=3157
     
  4. wrxmike

    wrxmike Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2004
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    Mike
    I've done it on my 412 without a lift, it's a time consuming job because you need to remove a few things to gain access. I don't think the starter motor can be removed from under the car anyway.

    You need to remove the drivers side injection unit, steering shaft, header heat shield and the exhaust manifolds to access the starter motor.

    Also, to undo one of the nuts holding on the starter motor you'll need a special spanner. I bought a cheap new (17mm?) ring spanner and ground the "ring" section thinner so it could fit in the recess holding the nut. Made that part of the job really simple.

    The hurdles are:
    Removing the steering shaft: you'll need a large wrench to undo the "nut" under the dashboard to allow the shaft to slide back, but first also disconnect it at the steering box

    The exhaust may be rusty and exhaust manifold nuts may be seized - you'll need new gaskets. Undoing the connection between the exhaust and the headers can be pain too, its under car and typically rusted together.

    It's an OK job for a home mechanic with some common sense, wouldnt recommend it for a novice though.

    (I note that Superformance claim to have parts in stock to rebuild the original starter, I have heard good things about the gear drive starters too though.)

    M
     
  5. blkprlz

    blkprlz Formula 3

    Mar 24, 2007
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    Bruce
    I'm thinin' that the steering assy. might be the deal breaker to going at it from above, I remember posts about starter removal from above & beneath. Perform an advanced search (click on Search, then click on 'advanced search'), type in 'remove starter' in the keywords space, then go to the 'search in forums' box & scroll down to highlight our forum group. You'll bring up 18 threads that people have started here....with all sorts of ways to go about it. :eek:

    I find the 'advanced search' approach very effective. Here's the list you should get, lots to read:

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/search.php?searchid=6165243
     
  6. rustytractor

    rustytractor Formula 3

    Mar 25, 2012
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    Russell Schacter
    Thanks for all the advice, will have a read through and work out which is the best way to attack the problem but will 100% fit a new gear reduction starter.

    Had major fun today as was all suited and booted at a friends 25th Wedding Anniversary party since yesterday in Egham in Surrey (I could see Maranello from where we were). Went to start the car this morning - click. Made sense that it was the starter as it's been slow to spin over when the car was hot but had always started..... until today.

    Decided to call the RAC but asked them to come at around 4pm which was roughly the time we were due to leave. They arrived promptly at 4pm in the rain (10 out of 10 to the RAC for customer service) and the guy managed to do the old "whack the starter" trick which worked and the 400 duly started. We turned her off and tried a restart and she just about started with no further "whacking" but we decided not to push our luck so I left her running for about 20 mins while we said our (early) farewells to our friends. Mr RAC left with my thanks and a £5 thank you.

    20 mins later, got in the car (which was still ticking over, temp sitting nicely at 90 degrees), blipped the throttle and she started to splutter (carbs need setting up) so I frantically tickled the throttle trying to keep her alive - no such luck (bugger !!). Another call to the RAC, another mechanic arrived who again whacked the starter and we were up and running again (another £5 bit the dust !!)

    And today's lesson - once it runs leave straight away, your friends will understand.

    Here endeth the sermon. Amen
     
  7. alastairhouston

    alastairhouston Formula Junior

    Apr 19, 2009
    575
    Largs Scotland UK
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    Alastair Houston
    Fun and games indeed, when mine went I decided to take the car from here in Scotland to Roseneath engineering south of London 600 miles for the job. This involved me bump starting the car and doing the 6 hour drive including leaving running while refueling and stopping for lunch at sevices !!!!! which i thought was very cool! An adventure shall we say keeps you on your toes.
    Regards
    Alastair
     

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