Vintage section Fake/Replica/Recreation/Rebody discussion

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Marcel Massini

 

So if a client brings a complete 250 GTE (good or bad condition), your company would NEVER build a 250 SWB, or whatever type 250 when he brings 300K USD in a bag?

 

Marcel,

That is entirely unfair. Many of us, like Matthew, have jobs and other things that take up our time. Of course, we could all do our research independently but none of us - including you, I'm sure - has the time to do that and so we sometimes ask for help from others and inevitably sometimes the questions have been asked before and sometimes the answers are obvious to the experts but no-one starts off as an expert. Everyone learns along the way.

Jonathan

 

So what your saying is there should be no other vehicles on Ferrarichat other than Ferraris?

Take a look at the Lambo section and the sponsor there. Do they sell just Lamborghinis? No they are a very good dealership that shows everything it offers for sale. The reason behind this is because not everyone on Ferrarichat, and I would venture to say most people on Ferrarichat, like, have, or can appreciate other makes and models. This is why we specifically pay extra to have a subforum, so as not to post other vehicles in the general Vintage section.

 

We currently have a 250GTE on our site that needs a full restoration. We are selling the vehicle with a restoration only for this specific reason, so that the GTE gets restored as a GTE. We have had several very good offers to buy the car as is but will not sell it unrestored out of fear that it may become a donor for something else.

 

Well said Jonathan! If there is anything you need, feel free to contact us and we will get you the answer if we don't already know it.

 

I agree completely. It is important to expose these replicas for what they are and this format is a great place to start. Rob then later may want to transfer them to another site. A reference to this transfer should remain in the Vintage section with the original thread # just to help keep the issue alive. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Oh yes it should. At least it should be clear that this change from the original is in no way "official". just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

BRAVO!! Seriously, it is nice to see principle being exercised in an industry/hobby where there is so much money floating around.

 

Thank you!!

SAVE THE GTE's!!!

 

It is not an original TdF - this is chassis 1069GT, owned by F-chatter Enigma Racing.

There is a lot of talk on this car in this thread, including comments from the owner.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261061&page=11

I have to say that since the MM Tribute, I have seen the same car in Octane magazine with a little interview at the Goodwood Revival car park, where it was implied again that it was an original TdF. Disappointing.


Onno

 

How about just a catch-all subforum in Other Cars called "Customs, Mods and Rods"? It provides a place for the hated replicas, recreations, rebodies, reconfigurations, tributes, clones, kits and fakes, without appearing to "accept" the ruination of donor vehicles.

It also may foster more discussion of the modification of late model stuff (Twin Turbo 430's, Koenig stuff, etc) and provide a space for wheel makers, bodykit makers, interior specialists, or tuning shops to flog their wares after becoming a sponsor.

 

The solution here is to keep the original panel which is being replaced with the car.If for any reason the replica panel, at a later date, is not considered satisfactory the original can still be considered. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Julio

I'm confused. Doug is involved with both the FOS and The Revival both of which allow replica's. You think the replica "250 Testa Rossa" that was at the FOS with the hardtop shouldn't be discussed and outed in Vintage?

How about the thread on the 330 Can AM with a replica 412P body at the FOS with a sign next to it proclaiming it a "P3" which it obviously isn't.

You think that shouldn't be discussed in Vintage?

Or the thread on the 350 Can AM that unlike the only other 350 Can Am in existence hasn't yet been fitted with a replica
P4 body that was being auctioned at the Factory. You think that shouldn't be discussed in Vintage so people can know what they're bidding on?

Or the "250 TDF" that's a replica that was allowed to run in the MM Tribute last year?

Think that shouldn't be discussed in Vintage?

I think it's very important that these issues were discussed in Vintage and that Vintage is the proper place to discuss these cars.

 

Thanks Onno and those that PM'd me with the answer.

 

If you are an enthousiast caring about the history and heritage of an iconic brand like ferrari, replica's and rebodies will never be acceptable!
There is nothing like the real deal!

Keep the vintage section "clean"!!

The more original, the better.
Patina should be a bonus in every concours d'elegance, overrestauring a car should be penalized..
There are to many "new" classic Ferrari's, matching numbers and correct paint finish, is not what Enzo ever intended..

Keep the spirit alive, the word "vintage" must be honored and respected.

I realize that the car I would love to own will never be in my "league".
Thats a fact, I respect that, and I would never buy a cheaper look-alike, or alternative because it would never give me the same feeling as an original.
Its like buying a chinese rollex..... never!!

Rob,
Like Julio said, if its a matter of money, I would gladly double my rossa subscription

Hans

 

Just so you know (though I am sure you don't care), to the outside observer who only comes to this section to catch a glimpse of a world we will never be able to truly enter, many of you sound as if you are made of one part whine and two parts pompous.

Not to try to infuse this thread with a smidge of reality, but there is no real historic significance to any road going Ferrari, period. They are cars, and this is a hobby, albeit an expensive one. The only ones that place any real value are those who own them or work in the field. It's no different than trading stamps or baseball cards. These are machines. They are not a species of animal. If all the GTEs suddenly ceased to exist, the world would go on unchanged.

The economy of the free world is teetering, people are being killed in Syria (and numerous other places) and some here are fighting mad over the percentage of irritating threads in a section of a section of an internet forum dedicated to a specialty line of exclusive automobiles?!?

I think getting in a fist fight at your kids T-ball game actually makes more sense.

OK, so we can't change the world, and many of us come here with a common interest, a passion for a similar hobby. At the end of the day, what does matter (OK, what should matter) is your character.

So here's a short lesson in character:

You really shouldn't insult people. It's not classy at all. You really shouldn't say on the internet something you wouldn't say directly to someone's face in a public place. You certainly shouldn't insult the way in which an honest person runs an honest business with paying customers, even if you don't like it.

To me, the older Ferraris, the ones I cannot afford, are the "real" Ferraris, and so I come here to peek into a private room filled with people that see more in a car than zero-to-sixty or top speed, a party devoid of hooligans who just want to impress the neighbors. So show some class in here, please.

 

Yes, full disclosure is probably the most important thing. Everyone knows what the Breadvan or the "little truck" was before it became what it is today. After full disclosure then the expert historians and the market place will take over. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Great post.

People who work for events like the FOS which allow replicas coming on Ferrari Chat and stating that threads that clearly out the replicas at the FOS shouldn't be allowed in Vintage and others holding that person up as a shinning beacon are truely pathetic.

 

Again, we post in a separate subforum. We did not destroy the donor car so I believe that is a bigger deal. Again, your attacks should get you banned. There is proper protocol for reporting threads if you feel there is a need. We will not respond to your personal defamatory remarks further.

 

I have on occasion expounded on the need for a "replica club" which would include what might be described as "ground up replicas". What defines a "ground up replica" would need to be in the bylaws of the club which would have as it principle function be a place where Ferrari replicas could live legitamately. If I were much younger I might consider taking up this project. Sorry, I will have to leave this to another. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

A lot of comments here that it is all about $$$$$$$$. I understand that for the guy selling the replica. What I don't understand is the guy buying it.