Replica California Spider displayed at Galleria Ferrari Maranello, #4309 GT

Thanks for sharing your knowledge Marcel. You certainly shine a bright light on some of the more interesting 'events' of the past!
CH

 

It's my understanding that none of the P2's survive. For that reason, I consider it a service of historical value for AR Storico to have re-created them for display purposes. The parallel would be for Ferrari to build (as they did) a 125 S replica.

However, this whole situation is absurd.

richardowen is right. It's too bad someone can't bring a brief to the italian courts and have it seized and destroyed- for the sole purpose of rubbing Ferrari's nose in their own hypocrisy.

Many thanks to Marcel on this thread, and in general- for the eternal vigilance.

The vast majority of Ferrari people both care about the history AND either don't have or don't devote the time to really get to the bottom of what is true and what isn't.
For a long time there have been shenanigans and hucksters simply based on the scarcity and value placed on these wonderful cars.
It's a complete shame when in the case of this replica or in the case of 0244, the factory is clearly complicit.
Semper Fi, Marcel!

Best,
Dave

 

Not to be a pendant, but the Alfa Museum's P2 is genuine. There's a 1930-modificato P2 in the Turin museum as well, as I recall.

The Tipi A and the Bimotore are recreations. The Ricotti trardrop car is a recreated body on an original chassis, I'm told.

Back on track...I agree with your and Marcel's comments.

 

Il Vecchio- Typo on my part.. I meant to say P1..
Best,
Dave

 

Note the description of the "125 S" at the Galleria:

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/091031_COR_Non_solo_rosse.aspx

res ipsa loquiter

 

Nice work. Passing off what is not even a good replica, as the original. You stay classy, Ferrari.

 

Very interesting, Marcel. Thanks,

Jack.

 

wow.

 

Unbelievable !! They kicked out the guy because he was right ! If i was the owner #156ET (btw, ET is Estabilimenti Touring ? ), i would have written them a letter asking them to stop misrepresenting the truth..

 

ET is an internal designator whereas Estabilimenti Touring would refer to a coachbuilder. The c/n is independent of coachbuilder because it comes beforehand- while the chassis is built it is numbered, only later is it clothed. Stabilimenti would be the word rather than Estabilimenti- one example would be Stabilimenti Farina. Touring was Carozzeria Touring.

IIRC, and I'm not certain that I do.., ET would be Export Tubolare. Hope this helps.

Best,
Dave

 

well, so that's two false California face to face
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Good one!

For the record, the 250 replica now has two outside mirrors (in 2007 it had only one on the driver's side).

 

It's really scandalous to see such a car inside the Ferrari factory. (I mean what is left of that poor 250 GT 2+2).

 

I just really love the Italians!

They're the same as they always were.....

So are the people who continue to be surprised by them.

Enjoy the good cars and watch out for the f**ckers who are trying to rip you off. Luckily we can make everything we need these days ourselves, so sit back and enjoy the show!

 

For those people who are visiting Guggenheim or Moma(Museum of modern art),
is this nothing new( looking at a fake sculture/paiting) .
A museum has an certain budget , and would like the ORDENAIRY public to show the hole overview of work of an certain artist.
Well the fact that they would say its the REAL thing is not correct of course
M.M. has nothing to do in such a museum ,the best overview is in his living I suppose.
Much more interesting is this Question :

that there are too MANY matching number cars among us.

To find out a replica is relatively easy !
that make those cars so symphatic.

ciao
C.

 

For those people who are visiting Guggenheim or Moma(Museum of modern art),
is this nothing new( looking at a fake sculture/paiting) .
A museum has an certain budget , and would like the ORDENAIRY public to show the hole overview of work of an certain artist.
Well the fact that they would say its the REAL thing is not correct of course
M.M. has nothing to do in such a museum ,the best overview is in his living I suppose.
Much more interesting is this Question :

that there are too MANY matching number cars among us.

To find out a replica is relatively easy !
that make those cars so symphatic.

ciao
C.

 

The 246 GT displayed at the Galleria Ferrari has chassis no. #01656. There ist a second car with the same chassis no. running in Japan.
#01656 is a M-Serie car. The front of the displayed Dino, see picture, is a front for E-Serie Dinos from 1972 onwards. (short bumpers and round air intake holes).
So either the whole car is wrong and restamped, or at least the front was not restaurated to original specifications.
Anyway. Very very embarrassing !!!
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I wouldn't be so sure that things would be different in Enzo's days. Numerous articles point to his not caring about the past, race cars scrapped or sold off for pennies on the dollar.

If anything, at least they are being consistent...

 

To be honest this thread is making me very upset.
I have visited the Galleria Ferrari many, many times over the years.
I never expected something like this from them.

 

Hi,a little bit honest they are
they called this car Tony 1, Ha
Toni auto is on the orther side of the steet.
For those who don't know opposite Headquarters.
The made a new block for the famous SWB droven once by Steling Moss.
the original motor is own by Toni Auto a few yards away, well i saw it once there.
not sure if the still have it.
anymore questions?

Cornelis
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Will it be crushed, or at least impounded?

 

I agree. All they had to do is declare it's real lineage. Then even the expert could say "Ok it's really a nice looking car and at least they were honest about it. Maybe the folks at Classiche and Galleria are actually trying to do the right thing. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

The immatriculation is "San Marino".... Jean Todt lives there...
I went to Torino, at Pininfarina, and a guy said to me that they sold their 250 BPC to Jean Todt, and the Rosse to a Japan owner!