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PRODUCTION NUMBERS 1985 1986 SINGLE MIRROR TESTAROSSA

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  1. testarob

    testarob F1 Rookie

    May 13, 2006
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    64925 1986 RED/TAN 62000m XOST/Hyperflow cats US Testaob - FL
     
  2. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

    Nov 13, 2003
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    Roughly translated that means he's going to his independent mechanic... :) BTW I hate the Yankees and I ain't no Yankee :D

    If I may, what are listed are the chassis numbers not the Vin's.

    56221 1985 Red/Black 21k custom exhaust Euro
     
  3. Godber

    Godber Rookie

    Mar 7, 2007
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    Spot on Prova85 :)

    Just back from the garage following some post Le Mans fixing.

    BTW - any thoughts on how many single mirror TR's were RHD?
     
  4. circleind

    circleind Karting

    Jan 31, 2007
    136
    Good idea, it may be the chassis no. instead of the vin no. As far as how many RHD we'll get a better idea as more info comes in. I've been thinking of maybe putting a web site together for the 84 to 86 TR's. Think it would be worth it? Ron
    Chassis YEAR COLORS Miles/Kilos MODS TYPE Name/Location
    55033 1985 RED/CREAM Ron Woods (You think?)
    56039 1985 RED/BLACK
    56219 1985 RED/BLACK Italy
    56221 1985 RED/BLACK 21000k exhaust EURO prova85/MA
    57535 1985 RED/BLACK IN US
    57777 1985 RED/TAN
    57783 1985 RED/TAN IN US
    57859 1985 BLACK/TAN EURO in US
    58001 1985 RED/TAN 24000m Stock US Circleind / SoCal
    58549 1985 RED/RED
    60141 1986 RED/CREAM 48000m Stock US gabriel
    60447 1986 RED/TAN 22000m Stock US James Woods / Dallas
    60665 1986 RED/BLACK 39000 Stock ? Big Red / ?
    61305 1985 RED/TAN 30000k CH spec SWISS RJMUELLER/Germany
    61723 1986 RED/TAN 44000k Stock CANADA
    62369 1986 RED/TAN 8000m US dealer/MN
    63465 1986 BLACK/TAN 33000m Stock US jselevan/SoCal
    64051 says 1985 SILVER/TAN SWISS
    64925 1986 RED/TAN 62000m US testarob/Florida
    64989 1986 RED/BLACK 48000m RHD ENGLAND Godber
    65307 1986 BLUE/TAN 25970m Stock US dealer/SoCal
    65499 1986 RED/RED
    65503 1986 RED/RED
    65975 1985 RED/RED
    66275 1985 RED/RED
    66527 1985 RED/RED
    66621 1985 RED/TAN
    66815 1985 RED/TAN
     
  5. khayes

    khayes Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Austin, TX
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    Mine is a US 1986 Red/Tan Single Mirror car. Built January 1986. Originally had metrix single nut wheels and TRX tires (still have them stored) but now have 16 inch single nut factory wheels and modern tires. Last five numbers of the VIN are 61951. 37,000 miles Texas.
     
  6. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

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    Ron

    Do you know if the cars are still in existence for those that are listed without being posted by owners on fchat? Where are you getting that info from ?

    Also 56221 s/b 21000mi not km's.

     
  7. circleind

    circleind Karting

    Jan 31, 2007
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    I'am getting other numbers from cars for sale and another web site. The other site is for all TR's and not all folks put their name and location, or year they listed. As an example khayes just updated a number from the other site that shows 61951 for sale in 2003 and 20,000m. It now has 37,000m and we know for sure it exists. At the very least we can list numbers as they come up and update them as more people write in. Also Ferrari lists the numbers as VIN numbers so I guess we should too. Ron
    VIN YEAR COLORS Miles/Kilos MODS TYPE Name/Location
    55033 1985 RED/CREAM Ron Woods (You think?)
    56039 1985 RED/BLACK
    56219 1985 RED/BLACK Italy
    56221 1985 RED/BLACK 21000m exhaust EURO prova85/MA
    57535 1985 RED/BLACK IN US
    57777 1985 RED/TAN
    57783 1985 RED/TAN IN US
    57859 1985 BLACK/TAN EURO in US
    58001 1985 RED/TAN 24000m Stock US Circleind / SoCal
    58549 1985 RED/RED
    60141 1986 RED/CREAM 48000m Stock US gabriel
    60447 1986 RED/TAN 22000m Stock US James Woods / Dallas
    60665 1986 RED/BLACK 39000 Stock ? Big Red / ?
    61305 1985 RED/TAN 30000k CH spec SWISS RJMUELLER/Germany
    61723 1986 RED/TAN 44000k Stock CANADA
    61951 1986 RED/TAN 37000 US khayes/Texas
    62369 1986 RED/TAN 8000m US dealer/MN
    63465 1986 BLACK/TAN 33000m Stock US jselevan/SoCal
    64051 says 1985 SILVER/TAN SWISS
    64925 1986 RED/TAN 62000m US testarob/Florida
    64989 1986 RED/BLACK 48000m RHD ENGLAND Godber
    65307 1986 BLUE/TAN 25970m Stock US dealer/SoCal
    65499 1986 RED/RED
    65503 1986 RED/RED
    65975 1985 RED/RED
    66275 1985 RED/RED
    66527 1985 RED/RED
    66621 1985 RED/TAN
    66815 1985 RED/TAN
     
  8. Grumpy B

    Grumpy B Karting

    May 31, 2005
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    South Bay
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    Don
    My father owned 65309 from new in 1986 till he sold it in about 1992. Red/Cream current location unknown

    Don
     
  9. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

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    #34 Prova85, Sep 20, 2007
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    Not to be pedantic but Ferrari does not refer to the last 6 digits as a VIN but as a "Chassis serial number"

    Now for an obvious question. Why are cars that whose numbers are well into the 66's listed as 85's and cars earlier in the 64's listed as 86's ?
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  10. ASG 86TR

    ASG 86TR Formula 3

    Aug 23, 2001
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    New Jersey
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    86 064873 Red / Tan
     
  11. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    what was the s/n of the first factory low and dual mirrors car? i own 69843 and it is an 87 low mirrors car
     
  12. eogorman

    eogorman Formula Junior

    May 10, 2005
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    Buhl, ID
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    62567 White with med blue interior 27500 miles US car first sold by Ron Tonkin, Portland
     
  13. gabriel

    gabriel Formula 3

    Thats a good question. :cool:
     
  14. circleind

    circleind Karting

    Jan 31, 2007
    136
    Well folks, all I can say about numbers mixed up with different years is this is the way it is relayed to me . Most likely some are reporting the registration year and others the build year on the drivers side door plate. This plate also lists the VIN # which includes the chassis as the last 5 digits. Having the complete VIN# would give us the model year for sure. A lot of cars cars are out there with lost original paperwork or when the car was re-registered perhaps a sales date was put down as the model year. At any rate this kind of thing would be expected in this type of project. As there doesn't seem to be a problem with people getting the numbers in as VIN# we can change it when it becomes a problem, ok? The first double mirror car is reported as 67487 US and 67079 EURO.
    VIN YEAR COLORS Miles/Kilos MODS TYPE Name/Location
    55033 1985 RED/CREAM Ron Woods (You think?)
    56039 1985 RED/BLACK
    56219 1985 RED/BLACK Italy
    56221 1985 RED/BLACK 21000m exhaust EURO prova85/MA
    57535 1985 RED/BLACK IN US
    57777 1985 RED/TAN
    57783 1985 RED/TAN IN US
    57859 1985 BLACK/TAN EURO in US
    58001 1985 RED/TAN 24000m Stock US Circleind / SoCal
    58549 1985 RED/RED
    60141 1986 RED/CREAM 48000m Stock US gabriel
    60447 1986 RED/TAN 22000m Stock US James Woods / Dallas
    60665 1986 RED/BLACK 39000 Stock ? Big Red / ?
    61305 1985 RED/TAN 30000k CH spec SWISS RJMUELLER/Germany
    61723 1986 RED/TAN 44000k Stock CANADA
    61951 1986 RED/TAN 37000 US khayes/Texas
    62039 1986 RED/RED
    62369 1986 RED/TAN 8000m US dealer/MN
    62567 1986 WHITE BLUE 27500m US eogorman
    62619 1986 RED/TAN LHD
    63465 1986 BLACK/TAN 33000m Stock US jselevan/SoCal
    64051 says 1985 SILVERTAN SWISS
    64873 1986 RED/TAN US ASG 86TR/NJ
    64925 1986 RED/TAN 62000m US testarob/Florida
    64989 1986 RED/BLACK 48000m RHD ENGLAND Godber
    65303 1986 RED/RED
    65307 1986 BLUE/TAN 25970m Stock US dealer/SoCal
    65309 1986 RED/CREAM
    65499 1986 RED/RED
    65503 1986 RED/RED
    65975 1985 RED/RED
    66275 1985 RED/RED
    66527 1985 RED/RED
    66621 1985 RED/TAN
    66815 1985 RED/TAN
     
  15. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

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    FWIW Red-Headed lists the 85's up to somewhere in the 59's and the 86's starting somewhere in the 59's. Anything above the 59's should be listed as an 86 IMO.
     
  16. justsick

    justsick Rookie

    Oct 2, 2004
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    missauga/brampton
    Red\blk single bolt,with double low mirrors.Vin # 67614 prodution date on side door says October '86, however is register as an '87. Anyone else close to this # ? I always get a little ticked when I hear about the high prodution TR #'s.
     
  17. circleind

    circleind Karting

    Jan 31, 2007
    136
    Well, so far we're almost to 50 cars. Now I'am sure not all flying mirror owners read FerrariChat and maybe some that do don't send in their numbers but, in 1984 they built 110 cars, and most of them were probably in Europe. In 1985 they built 568 but,they didn't import to the US untill the second half of the year so, as redeheaded reports about 150-200 gray market cars were brought to the US. In 1986 there were 819 cars produced and most likely most were delivered to the US. So of that total, (about 1497 total) how many can there be left in the world and how many in the US? As I've said before the flying mirror cars are special and I'll be surprised if half of the production is left.
    VIN YEAR COLORS Miles/Kilos MODS TYPE Name/Location
    54643 1985 RED/TAN
    54879 1985 RED/RED
    55033 1985 RED/CREAM Ron Woods (You think?)
    56039 1985 RED/BLACK
    56219 1985 RED/BLACK Italy
    56221 1985 RED/BLACK 21000m exhaust EURO prova85/MA
    57535 1985 RED/BLACK IN US
    57777 1985 RED/TAN
    57783 1985 RED/TAN IN US
    57859 1985 BLACK/TAN EURO in US
    58001 1985 RED/TAN 24000m Stock US Circleind / SoCal
    58549 1985 RED/RED
    60141 1986 RED/CREAM 48000m Stock US gabriel
    60447 1986 RED/TAN 22000m Stock US James Woods / Dallas
    60665 1986 RED/BLACK 39000 Stock ? Big Red / ?
    61305 1985 RED/TAN 30000k CH spec SWISS RJMUELLER/Germany
    61723 1986 RED/TAN 44000k Stock CANADA
    61951 1986 RED/TAN 37000 US khayes/Texas
    62003 1986 RED/RED
    62039 1986 RED/RED
    62369 1986 RED/TAN 8000m US dealer/MN
    62567 1986 WHITE BLUE 27500m US eogorman
    62619 1986 RED/TAN LHD
    63251 1986 RED/RED
    63465 1986 BLACK/TAN 33000m Stock US jselevan/SoCal
    64051 1986 SILVERTAN SWISS
    64057 1986 RED/TAN EURO
    64101 1986 RED/RED
    64873 1986 RED/TAN US ASG 86TR/NJ
    64925 1986 RED/TAN 62000m US testarob/Florida
    64983 1986 RED/TAN
    64989 1986 RED/BLACK 48000m RHD ENGLAND Godber
    65303 1986 RED/RED
    65307 1986 BLUE/TAN 25970m Stock US dealer/SoCal
    65309 1986 RED/CREAM
    65499 1986 RED/RED
    65503 1986 RED/RED
    65975 1986 RED/RED
    66275 1986 RED/RED
    66527 1986 RED/RED
    66621 1986 RED/TAN
    66815 1986 RED/TAN
    67614 Lowest double mirror reported so far.
     
  18. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

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    Good work so far!

    One local here who has done a lot of similar work suggested a couple of things so obvious that I could not think of them...

    a) - Ferrari owners club must have something like this in their records
    b) - He says he took out an ad years back looking for a 512M and still gets replies to this day

    One idea I had, and I don't know if such records are available in many states, but is there a public information registration for cars by make in some states?
     
  19. rskdsk

    rskdsk Formula Junior

    Jun 1, 2006
    527
    Single high fly mirror, single lug

    1986, vin 62113, red/tan, 42k miles, Evans GA, Richard Kistner
     
  20. Anthony bentley

    Anthony bentley Formula Junior

    May 20, 2006
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    #45 Anthony bentley, Sep 26, 2007
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    Delivery date 19-02-86
    Chassis 61955
    36,000kms
    Red with Tan

    Originally a single high mirror now has a second one fitted.

    London, England.

    Anthony
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  21. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2004
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    Just to be clear:

    - Only US cars have a model year as part of the VIN. European cars do not have a model year.
    - The build year on the driver's side door plate is also a US-only thing. It is not present on Euro cars.

    Yes, there is frequently confusion between build date, delivery date, first registration date and model year! By and large cars of a particular model (such as the Testarossa) are/were built roughly in chassis number sequence. There are some small variations, which I suspect may be due to things like quality control etc. altering the completion sequence.

    US Testarossas:
    85 model year - Chassis number range = 55773 to 59501. 119 cars
    86 model year - Chassis number range = 59861 to 67019. 299 cars

    I do have a note somewhere of serial numbers of the last 'flying mirror' cars, but not immediately to hand.

    I help out with the UK Owners' Club Register of Ferraris. It contains various details including type, chassis number, colour etc. It doesn't currently explicitly identify which are 'flying mirror' cars and which aren't although whether they were originally or not is derivable from the chassis number. Having had contact with a number of the other Owners' Clubs around the world, I believe they generally keep similar sorts of records to the UK Club.

    Jonathan
     
  22. gabriel

    gabriel Formula 3

    US Testarossas:
    85 model year - Chassis number range = 55773 to 59501. 119 cars
    86 model year - Chassis number range = 59861 to 67019. 299 cars

    What? That adds up to 418 total. I'm going to keep mine forever - :cool:

    I'm really getting interested in trying to reach a consenus on how many are left. Good project. Thank you for it.

    Just to be clear, it is so that the chassis numbers are shared by all models, ie, there are all types of Fcars included in the number sequence, and therefore little can be discerned from the numbers themselves, other than start and end dates?
     
  23. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

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    If those are the original US import numbers, who would care to take a guess on how many are left? It would seem that this thread is working it's way toward a pretty good percentage of those cars in this range that are still around.

    This could very well be the seed that starts the eventual appreciation of these cars - I myself would have guessed 3 or 4 times the numbers quoted above. Indeed, they are worth far more than we thought.
     
  24. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

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    This registry seems to be getting somewhat muddy and raising more questions. I say that as my car 56221 was imported back in May 85 when the buyer didn't want to wait until later in the year when Ferrari was able to properly produce a US emissions spec car hence no US spec cars hit dealers until approx Sept 85. I question whether 55773 is a US Tr ?
     
  25. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2004
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    Yes. To clarify Ferrari allocated odd numbers only up to 75000 to road cars. Thereafter, all numbers were used. These numbers are allocated more-or-less in sequence to cars beginning the production process and the number sequence is used for all models. Thus (and I am making these numbers up), 76001 might be a Testarossa and 76002 might be a 328. Generally numbers are allocated in small batches of half-a-dozen or so to cars of the same type. I hope that makes sense!

    Yes, 55773 is a US Testarossa and with Ferrari things like this are always muddy! The full VIN is ZFFSA17A3F0055773 (note the 'A' eighth character which indicates a US version car, as opposed to 'B' for Euro cars, 'C' for UK cars etc.). It is/was red with black interior. I also have details of some Euro (and Swiss) variant cars that are, or have been, in the US. I don't know when 55773 was actually imported to the US offhand. Certainly Euro cars (always the first to be produced) quite often find their way to other markets early on when the impatient can't wait. It is also entirely possible that the first US spec cars were tested in Italy by the factory for a period before going on to be sold in the US. It may also be possible that the serial numbers are allocated at customer 'spec' time and delays on US version builds mean't that 55773 was actually built some time after 56221.

    Jonathan

    Edit: Incidentally, I note that Edvar gives 67487 as the first US low-mirror car on red-headed.com
     

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