Massa's view on Kimi

Brian, Alonso cleaned Fischella's clock during their time at Renault. Fischella prior to Alonso was always quicker than his teammates. Whe Fischella was at SAUBER he was quicker and faster than Massa. Therefore if Alonso and Kimi are about equal in speed, what do you think Kimi will do to Massa?

 

Jv was pretty much demotivated since he left williams.

 

guess we have to wait Tony

 

Even Barrichello won.

 

I didnt specify the type of fumes

 

yes, but his win wasn't as dominant as Massa's wins.

 

You sure you should be using an exclamation point there buddy?

 

Sugar in MS's fuel tank ?

 

The mark of a great driver is not that he can pull a couple of wins out of the bag, but that he can win when the cars not 100% right ... ie. like Fangio, Moss, Senna, Prost and MS, etc.

This is why RB was never going to happen, because yep he beat MS fair and square (atleast once) but that was just one of those days when everything clicked for him. The reality is, that hardly ever happens.

I've yet to see anything from Massa that makes me think he can pull a win out of a struggling weekend ... but I can see the incredients in Kimi (or I could before McLaren killed his motivation).

Pete

 

that was really a good post Pete.

 

I'm not 100% convinced about Kimi. I think that Michael could have won races in a 2006 McLaren. It would have taken a few races, but Michael would have tested and tested and he would have motivated the team and identified the key areas to work on to make the car quicker.
I get the impression that both Kimi and Massa can drive a fast car quickly, but I think they both need to have a fast car and they both need to receive motivation from the team, whereas Michael would give motivation to the team to make the car quicker. I think that Ferrari will be dominant at the start of the season as they have the advantage of the best car now and the most experience with Bridgestone. I am not convinced that they will be able to maintain their advantage throughout the season.

I like Massa and I like Kimi. I'd be happy for either to be Champion.

 

That's what his "fans" say.

 

i'm not his fan and never was his fan

 

Massa didn't win two grand prix last year, Ferrari did. Massa just happened to be at the wheel. Massa sure as hell couldn't win a Grand Prix in any other car and at least half the grid could potentially win a GP in a Ferrari. Those wins say a lot more about the quality of the Ferrari than they do about the "skill" of Massa.

Irvine and RB were both GP winners at Ferrari. How many GPs did they win in other cars?

 

Good points, agree.

Pete

 

I didn't say you were, I wouldn't insult you like that, I'm sure you have more taste.

I heard that JV has been hosting "Switch" contests in Montreal. Not my cup of thing but I hear he is pretty good at the game himself.

 

well, ok then. pass me ur address. i'll send u a copy of JV's biography for Xmas : For my Fans only

have a nice day man

 

I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Massa's only year at Sauber his rookie year? If so, then I could see why a much more veteran driver would be faster than he was.

Btw, I am so sick of hearing about how Michael got the win in Austria when he didn't earn it. First, that was many years ago, second and more important, Rubens was given a win at Indianapolis he didn't deserve. Funny how no one remembers that!

 

I get enough junk email, I don't need regular junk mail.

Thanks anyway.

P.S. Don't ask about the "Switch" contests.

 

No it was when Massa went back to Sauber after his stint as a Ferrari test driver, so it would be his second year at Sauber when he was lined up against Fisi Fella. Also you are correct about Indy 2002, but it was more of an accident. MS was trying to get a photo finish and screwed it up, when RB passed the line first.

 

That debacle doesn't become less distasteful over time.

 

Personally I have not so many issues with team orders, quite frankly it makes a lot of sense. Point in case was 1999 where Salo gave the Hockenheim victory to Irvine and where MS drove for Irvine at Sepang.

The reason Zeltweg stands out is that it was way too early in the season. That's why it was a disgrace. Both drivers had still a good chance at winning the title and from the events of 1999 somebody like Todt should have known better, but they did it anyway.

AFAIK Michael paid that one back to Rubens twice: With the botched foto finish in Indy and later on again.

So futureowner: I do remember.

 

Regarding Massa:

On his positive side are his raw speed and his ability to be one of the fastest starters in F1. Also he manages to keep a good car ahead if he starts ahead. So he isn't worthless, but:

On his negative side is his total lack of any skills in the wet (Hungary 06) and his inability to pass (Monza 06).

Kimi isn't as fast a starter as he is, but has the same raw speed, can drive in the wet and is one of the best passers in F1. Kimi also has one of the freakiest car controls in the field (even better than what JPM had) and has more than once brought a car back from the grass that Massa let fly into the tire barrier.

I don't know where the two stand on setup and development of a car. But given the above comparison I see no reason why Kimi wouldn't be driving circles around Massa.

 

And while Massa is getting the bugs out testing, Kimi's at charm school.

 

They also reported in F1-live that Kimi is earning about $51M a year to Massa's $10M. I guess Ferrari may know a bit more about Kimi than we do. Ron Dennis did say that Kimi's biggest problem is that he listens to no one.