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How many miles on "new" car and break in period.

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  1. RBK

    RBK F1 Rookie

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    I will be picking up my 430 next Tuesday. It was delivered with 45 miles on the odometer and will have a few more when I see it, i.e. moving between service and sales etc.

    I asked the service manager what a buyer should expect to see on a new car odometer? He said "usually" in the 40 mile range. He said when there is more, it may mean their was a problem requiring repair and test drive(s). Also how a car is transported may impact mileage.

    I asked about break in period. He said that Ferrari runs the motor (under load) at 3,000 rpm for a couple of hours and again at 6.000 rpm, so no break in is required.

    I still feel better breaking the car in under real life conditions. Maybe magical thinking, but I think the drive train adapts to your driving mode. With that said, the cars I race receive motors right off the dyno and are immediately put under enormous strain and do well. Never have figured it out.

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  2. marknkidz

    marknkidz Formula 3
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    Congrats on your new baby!!!

    give us some info...color, options, etc....
     
  3. Tarek K.

    Tarek K. F1 World Champ

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    CONGRATULATIONS :)

    Ferrari engines on all new cars are already broken in prior to delivery.
    Drive her around a little (a few miles) so you get to know her and get a feel for her and then just push the gas pedal down and listen to her sing at full rpm ;)

    I am really not joking...trust me. You will hear the same from other members.
     
  4. zjpj

    zjpj F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
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    I agree.

    The handbook says wait 600 miles before taking it over 5,000 rpm.

    However, in the 599 factory video, they show the test-drivers putting on the 50-75 "delivery" miles, and it involves them pushing the car really hard (i.e. way above 5,000 rpm) to make sure it works properly. If they can do it before you take delivery, IMO there's no reason why you can't do it after you take delivery.
     
  5. Morgie

    Morgie Formula Junior

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    had 48 miles on the odometer when i took delivery on tuesday (I flew it in)
     
  6. dan360

    dan360 F1 Rookie

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    Yes, just drive the hell out of it once its warmed up. That's it.

    I put my CS on the dyno with <500 miles on it, then again at 12K. Same dyno, 20bhp more with 12K than when new. These cars respond to use, no reason to baby it.

    I changed the oil at 1K, then regular services/oil changes.
     
  7. rbf41000

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    You probably need to worry about the tires,brakes and transmision more than the engine.
    And don't forget about breaking yourself in to a new car also.

    Russell
     
  8. RBK

    RBK F1 Rookie

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    On second thought, I think I will let it warm up and see how much rubber I can leave on the dealers parking lot pavement (ha).
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  9. hardtop

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    The owner's manual suggests a 600 mile break in. Even though the factory may have pushed it beyond 5K RPM does not mean a breakin period is not recommended according to some mechanics. Certainly hitting high RPM a couple of times on the test run is not the same as beating on it from delivery day forward. It is my understanding Porsche recommends 2K miles. When I bought a Lotus Elise, they had a 600 or 800 mile breakin (can't remember) and dealers download what the motor has done at the 1K service and send it off to the factory where they may decide to void a warranty. I know for sure that Subaru STI's and Mitsu EVO's WILL burn oil if not broken in according to the factory recommendation. I find it hard to believe all these manufacturers recommend breakin preiods if they were not needed. Ferrari's are shorter than most. Very few original Ferrari owners ever get to 10 or 20K miles on their cars before selling, so they may never see the long term consequences of not properly breaking in. 600 miles is pretty short, so I would do what the factory recommends. My 430 now has close to 7K miles and feels stronger than it did with 2K and uses zero oil.

    Dave
     
  10. JWLee

    JWLee Formula Junior

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    +1

    Like Dave says, 600 miles is very short. Can't hurt to do this.
     
  11. RBK

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    Another story... I own a SL 55. As you probably know the AMG is a handbuit balanced and blueprinted motor. At 16,000 miles my exhausts became smoke pipes. Long story short - crack in block. They replaced the motor (I don't mean a short block) just as Ferrari would. I noticed in the manual a requirement for 1000 miles break in. I asked for the head mechanic and we discussed realities of life. He said this was for the "protection" of Mercedes, but still said a 500 mile breakin would be a good idea (and enough). It seems to me, to err on the side of caution. I don't see a need to immediately push the motor unless you have money to burn and want to test Ferrari's reliability.
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  12. GCalo

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    Very important to do two things:

    1) familiarize yourself with the car before testing its limits.
    2) let it warm up well before getting on it. keep it below 3K RPM for 5-10 minutes. You'll find shifting is better as well after it warms.

    I don't really think anyone can say what "delivery miles" really are. I'd say anything below 100 is probably factory and moving/transportation, etc.

    Over that it's everyone taking turns!

    Who wouldn't?

    BTW, what color is this one?

    Best of luck.
     
  13. FERRARI-TECH

    FERRARI-TECH Formula 3

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    The correct way to break-in a car has more to do the whole vehicle not just the motor. Engines break-in fairly quickly. trans/axles/diffs etc take a lot longer.
    The correct solution is not to "trash" the motor for any extended period, and also not to "bog" the motor for any period. Dont use full throttle until the engine is fully warm(washes cylinders), make frequent up shifts and down shifts, changing the load often, I tell clients to do this for about 1000 miles.
    You must drive it well to break it in correctly.
    The AMG 55 motor had some build issues for the first year or so, to the point where MB depots kept complete engines in stock (53K)
    They usually had knocking rods, but blue smoke is another comon problem
    I have had to change several motors for AMG owners.
     
  14. toggie

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    I had 50 miles on odometer when I took delivery of my new F430.

    Not sure if this is necessary but I was told to do the 600 mile break-in. During this time period, when cold starting, let car warm up for a few minutes before driving (water temp gauge starting to move). Don't rev engine very high until oil temp gauge is starting to move up (a few minutes later). Don't go above 6000 rpm until after 600 miles (red line is 8500 rpm). During first 600 miles, take drives that vary the rpm's. In other words, don't cruise at constant 70 mph on an interstate highway for the full 600 miles. So far so good, I have 250 miles on it. (Of course, I would like to see what happens between 6001 - 8500 rpm.)
     
  15. RBK

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    Color - Silverstone and Cuio. Black carpets and top of the dashboard from the windshield outward about 6 inches is black. Challenge grill.

    My habit is to allow water and oil temperatures to reach operational levels before going over 3,000 rpm. I have no reason to ever "floor it" (not a drag racer) and have only redlined a car when wheel to wheel racing.
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  16. marksp

    marksp Formula Junior

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    I posted this on another thread - "I spent a fair amount of time at the motor QA station. 100% of all motors were dyno "tested" which included after intial firing and warm up, 15 minutes @ 2500 RPM, 15 minutes at 4500 RPM, 15 minutes at 6500 RPM and 15 minutes at 8500 RPM. Motors that were in tolerances after that were put into cars. Those cars were then road driven, and then track driven. Fluids replaced. done."
     
  17. GCalo

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    Nice colors for sure, and now I believe you had previously asked suggestions about this interior? No? Very nice indeed.

    I agree with your manner of warm-up and I do that with all my cars as well.

    You can do a great bit of long-term engine damage tearing up with a cold engine.

    We don't fly prop planes w/o a suitable warm-up and mag tests.
     
  18. fun-meter

    fun-meter Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2006
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    Ferrari F430 Break-in (according to the manual) 600 miles, >5000rpm.

    Although its best to try and stick within it, i dont think it will do any harm going above that though. Theres some UK cars for sale with just 600miles, and im quite sure some of those 600miles where over 5000rpm.

    Our F430 had been moved between dealers a bit, as we didnt order one, we bought it off the showroom from a dealer, It was new, and had just over 100miles on it. The car was ordered, but then when it arrived they didnt want it, so it got us as its lucky owners. :)
     
  19. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

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    That is why I would never buy a Ferrari with about 500 miles on it. I think the odds that an owner did not thrash it in the short time he or she owned it are pretty minimal. Fortunately, I was able buy a new one. In the aftermarket, I would want one with delivery miles or a lot of miles by one owner.

    Dave
     
  20. masterlu

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    Call me silly, but I followed the manual 600 miles, before tearing it up.
     
  21. RBK

    RBK F1 Rookie

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    Not silly at all - better safe than sorry - what's the hurry?
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  22. fun-meter

    fun-meter Formula Junior

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    Also within those first few hundred miles, your getting use to the car itself, and also learn about how good the F430 can be when you want to do a few long distance and quieter trips. :)
     
  23. hardtop

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    I did that too but I was planning to keep it. If I had planned to sell it with 500 miles, all bets are off.

    Dave
     
  24. RBK

    RBK F1 Rookie

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    If we believe a break in period is necessary then I submit buying a car (especially owned a very short time) with 5-600 miles on it is dangerous.

    Who buys a car for a few days/weeks and sells it? Common sense suggests someone who wanted a few days/weeks of fun (with a short attention span and some money) who does not concern themselves with rpms.
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  25. KINGS POWER

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    I have to totally agree here, I make sure that all fluids are warmed up and within operating temsp, also that the tranny has had time to warm up it's fluid as well before romping on it.
     

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