| Author | Message | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2002 |
Got the fax Bruce, Thanks. Now I'll see what the dealer says on this.... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1377 Registered: 4-2002 |
robert, ok then you still own 3 trs?? correct?? any authorized f-dealer HAS to fix it, its a safety liability....if your tr is made from 1/86 to 4/88, let me know and ill fax you the info... regards, bruce. | ||
| Robert Mann (Robertmann)
New member Username: Robertmann Post Number: 39 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bruce--I am still in my office and after reading the post I see what you mean. Sorry about that. It should have read; I have had 3-TRs-1-87 & 2-88s. The 87 had no problems with the retractors but both 88s did. The Ferrari dealer repaired the left side and then did the right side a few months later on the first 88. The 2nd 88 gave me the same problem with the left side and the dealer told me that Ferrari was no longer repairing them at no cost. Dunno--go figure-- TTFN Robert That should be clearer-- | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1373 Registered: 4-2002 |
robert huh?? come again | ||
| Robert Mann (Robertmann)
New member Username: Robertmann Post Number: 38 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bruce, Those were a few of the "Red Cars" back. TTFN Robert | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1372 Registered: 4-2002 |
robert do you still have that tr?? bruce | ||
| Robert Mann (Robertmann)
New member Username: Robertmann Post Number: 37 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have had 3 TR's-1-87 & 2-88's. The 87 had no problems with the retractor but both 87s had problems. The Ferrari dealer repaired the left side on the first 88 and then did the right side a few months later. The 3rd 88 gave me problems and I took it to them and they told me that Ferrari was no longer repairing them at no cost. Dunno--go figure-- TTFN Robert | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1367 Registered: 4-2002 |
lawrence...  | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2002 |
Molto Grazie Bruce! I'm not at home right now but will check to see if I ot it tonight. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1366 Registered: 4-2002 |
lawrence its there...................... | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks Bruce, We had a couple of power outages last week which probably caused it not to go thru. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1365 Registered: 4-2002 |
lawrence i did it last week, but i will do it again.... bruce | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 68 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Bruce, did you fax the details of the recall to me? I didn't get it. You probably forgot which is understandable since the holidays are so busy! Please at your earliest opp. fax it to me at (250) 472-8396. Thanks! | ||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2002 |
I agree with Patrick, that is the way I'd like to dot it too. Seems like it could be done fairly easily. Anyone converted over the the Euro method? | ||
| Patrick S. Perry (Psp1)
Junior Member Username: Psp1 Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2001 |
Judging by the parts manual, it looks like the Euro TRs had standard 3 point belts - do the US models have the Euro belt attachment points in the door sill area and in the post behind the doors? If so, what would it take to simply add Euro belts and disconnect the electrics but leave the mouse track? | ||
| Wil de Groot (Wildegroot)
New member Username: Wildegroot Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2002 |
(long) We recently repaired the passive seat belts on a 1998 Testarossa. The problem we found after much fussing around with the system weas that the electronic module which controls the belts was malfunctioining. The module gives the shoulder belt mouse (shuttle) a certain number of seconds to travel to the back of the door opening and then signals the unit in the console to tighten the belt. Over time the electronic components in the module deteriorate and the time given to the shoulder belt mouse is reduced. What happens is the module tells the belt to tighten before the mouse has fully applied the belt. This puts a tremendous strain on the mechanical parts of the belt mechanisms and the system destroys itself. The system should have been designed with a limit switch so that the belt could not tighten until the mouse reached the end of the track and signaled the tightening mechanism - all clear. Barring that, the module should have had a QUARTZ timer. The whole system is very Fiat (as in cheap). Installing a new module (there are two, one for each belt) does not fix the problem. The replacement modules were made at the same time as the ones in your car, are just as old and suffer from the same electronic component deterioration. The solution we came up with was to design an electronic timer which piggy backs on the seatbelt module and gives the shoulder belt mouse more time to do its thing before tightening the belt. We also had to repair the self inflicted mechanical damage to the system but wound up with working, reliable belts. Our customer wanted to keep his car original but to rip all that junk out and install manual belts. It would require some upholstery work to the interior door opening trim to make it all look nice but the effort would be well worth it in my opinion. Wil de Groot http://exoticars-usa.com | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1306 Registered: 4-2002 |
lawrence i will fax it on monday william spear, dealer MUST fix the problem, still if fixed 50x and still does not work, if he refuses, then you have a case against them, providing its with in the time frame shown below.. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Bruce, Can you fax me the details too? My seatbelts don't work at all on my 88 TR. My fax number is (250) 472-8396 Thanks! | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2002 |
can the dealership refuse to fix it if someone else (a third party) has worked on the belts and therefore "modified" them? | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 108 Registered: 8-2002 |
does anyone have any experience in how the dealership "fixes" this problem? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1305 Registered: 4-2002 |
no dima 1986-1988 to(4/88) testarossas only that dealers MUST fix | ||
| Dima Efros (Defros)
New member Username: Defros Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2001 |
Would this recall include 1990 cars as well? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1309 Registered: 4-2002 |
william give me your fax# and ill fax you all the details... recall is for 86-88 testarossas thanks bruce | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 108 Registered: 8-2002 |
has anyone been successful in getting these fixed? mine work intermittently and i would love to have the problem fixed for good. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1313 Registered: 4-2002 |
jeff email me your fax # bruce | ||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
Any news on this topic? Is there a chance of getting my '87 TR's seat belts fixed, even if I have to partially pay for it? | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member Username: Icnsltmfg Post Number: 505 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have the real seat belts, the switch came in 87 TR's, but I am putting racing belt in. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1299 Registered: 4-2002 |
thanks adam and ttg ill make some calls., adam does yours work or you putting in the racing belts?? | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 283 Registered: 6-2002 |
What's up there Adam and Brucey, http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/Index.cfm Talk in a bit | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member Username: Icnsltmfg Post Number: 503 Registered: 8-2001 |
I would call both and reference this recall and see what their reaction is. If needed you can then call FNA, and last call NHTSA. Adam | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1298 Registered: 4-2002 |
good find adam you knowing my car and both my automatic belts not working,can i bring it to wwoc or algar, do i have a chance getting them fixed for nutin?? your pal, bruce | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member Username: Icnsltmfg Post Number: 502 Registered: 8-2001 |
Guy's; If you were not aware, years ago there was a recall for the mouse trap seat belts. if your is inop Ferrari is still on the hook to replace it. If they give you problems, NHTSA should be able to convince them that it needs to be done. Potential for a very large lawsuit if you were in an accident and they did not repair a recalled safety item. NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 88V186000 Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:PASSIVE RESTRAINT:BELTS Manufacturer: FERRARI NORTH AMERICA Year: 1987 Make: FERRARI Model: TESTAROSSA Recall Date: 12/12/1988 Type of Report: Vehicle Potential Number of Units Affected: 468 Manufactured: 11/1986 - 04/1988 Defect Summary: AUTOMATIC PASSIVE RESTRAINT SYSTEM MAY NOT OPERATE DUE TO A PAYOUT MOTOR DEFECT IN THE SAFETY BELT RETRACTOR ASSEMBLY. Consequence Summary: AUTOMATIC OPERATION OF PASSIVE RESTRAINT SYSTEM WOULDBECOME INTERMITTENT OR COMPLETELY INOPERATIVE. Corrective Summary: REPLACE SEAT BELT ASSEMBLY. |