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David Harris (Dakharris)
Junior Member Username: Dakharris
Post Number: 120 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 12:40 pm: | |
The answer I give is what the sticker price was when the car was new. It's a matter of public record and since I bought my car used, doesn't offend me in the least and answers the question accurately and honestly. If someone is truly interested, I'm happy to engage in a more detailed conversation about the real cost of ownership. What true Ferrari Fan wouldn't accept every opportunity to blab on endlessly about his favorite subject? |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 5:50 pm: | |
Vilamoura, so many beautiful cars and so little time to enjoy them all |
Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
New member Username: Rijk365gtb4
Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:14 pm: | |
Actually with a vintage Ferrari you usually get "what year is it" (4x yesterday) or "which model is that" (1x), never the "how much" question, so I do not think that people really want to know the cost, model or year, it is just used as a conversation starter. |
DHutchison (Hutch308)
New member Username: Hutch308
Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 7:20 pm: | |
I have had more people ask how much does the insurance cost per year on a Ferrari? My reply is about $600 less than my Jeep. That usually confuses them enough to stop asking questions. One time I stopped by an open house, which my mother was the selling broker. I talked with the builder of the house, and walked around the house discussing a future pool and various water features.Upon seeing my Ferrari in the driveway, the builder exclaimed "Wow!! That is a $200,000 Ferrari!!! Your mother has done a great job advertising this house!!". I agreed with him that my mother is great, then I showed him the keys and said he could have my 308 for $100,000. He politely declined the offer. |
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
Member Username: Vilamoura2002
Post Number: 286 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 6:18 pm: | |
Stevendp, of course I agree with you. No doubt about... :-) I was saying that among the Porsche, the 356 were the most beautiful of all.
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magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1980 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 4:39 pm: | |
Exactly Dave. If that makes you comfortable in your response you should respond that way. I believe it is your perogative who you tell your business to. |
Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel
Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 3:20 pm: | |
My reply is usually "thank you, too much" and let it go. The next question is usually how fast and I reply " fast enough to get you in plenty of trouble". This is reference to my Lotus S4, still searching for the first Ferrari. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1969 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 8:30 pm: | |
Hey Gal, How ya doin and where are ya. Good to hear from ya. |
Dina (Ferrarigirl)
New member Username: Ferrarigirl
Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 8:10 pm: | |
Last time someone asked me "how much" it wasn't about the car. But that was in the days when I HAD a Ferrari ! |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1967 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 4:21 pm: | |
Steven, I totally agree with that statement. |
jake liddell (Enzoforza)
New member Username: Enzoforza
Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 4:21 pm: | |
I have had many people ask me how much my 328 costs. I have a Viper also but no one asks me how much that costs. The two cars get about the same amount of "looks" but people seem to be much more friendly toward me when I have the Viper, I get very frequent thumbs up etc. If someone seems nice and genuinely interested in the Ferrari I will take a few moments to let them look at the engine and talk a bit about it with them. If they just come up and say "hey how much" I usually tell them that it is not mine. People seem to associate any Ferrari with millionaires for some reason. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 3:38 pm: | |
Vilamoura, I agree that the 356 are beautiful, but the most beautiful cars built are the one with the prancing horse on the front and back Sorry Pcars fans. |
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
Member Username: Vilamoura2002
Post Number: 284 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 6:38 am: | |
Stevendp, in my modest opinion, the 356 are the most beautiful, the best and the most desirable Porsche made.
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Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv
Post Number: 176 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 6:53 pm: | |
Something I also mention to curious "how much" askers is the fact that the older Ferrari like my QV or GT4 are not expensive to buy compared to new family hacks. BUT the purchase price is only the start and if you are not willing to do your own maintenance and repairs on your Ferrari,(like a lot of us at FC) the costs can spiral from there. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
New member Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 6:38 pm: | |
Like I stated in an earlier post..my wife bought mine as a gift to me. She knew I always wanted a 308 over everything else. She found a TR, a nice one at that...and knew the 308 was the car I loved ( besides having framed pictures of the 308 everywhere) Now I must admit that the 328 will be my next Ferrari...but that is a 308 with some refinements...of course a 288 gto would be my ultimate love..that is a 308 on steroids...but too pricey for me. When people look at my car, I never had anyone say.....oh it just a 308 (and even if they did..so what?) they always see the script on the rear deck saying FERRARI..this says it all.....you either love it or you don't...I do... |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1964 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 5:54 pm: | |
No problem Steve, It is a late number but not the last one. Thanks for asking. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 5:18 pm: | |
Magoo, I was thinking that you have the very last carb model ever to rolled off the asembly line. That is why I asked, sorry for the mistake. Is it a GTS or GTB model? love the looks of the GTB. I'm still looking for that "perfect" GTB, 308 of course. To all Ferrari owners, you are one lucky bunch of guys and gals. Heck, I dream of owning one before I die and now that dream is close to becoming a reality. Fcar ownership and not death (knocking on wood). In the mean time I'll have to make do driving the Vette Why is it that there are always the same old agruement within each community? Porsche- 914/924 are considered VW/Audi and not true "Porsche". What about the 356 model? Ferrari- well I won't go into that, probably get myself shot. |
Daryl Adams (Daryl)
New member Username: Daryl
Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 1:47 pm: | |
Had this happen to me yesterday. I was fueling my Dino Spider and a young couple approached me, admiring the car. "This car is gorgeous!" said the wife. Then she just blurted out, "What did it cost?" That caught me off guard, but I smiled and said,"Geez....I try not to think about what it cost," with a slight roll of my eyes. She wouldn't give up, and said, "No, seriously, what did you pay for it? I don't mean to seem rude but it's a dream of mine." Since she was so polite, I tried to give her a relative cost she would understand and said, "Well..... it cost me more than my first house." Her hubby was having visible trouble coming to grips with that. Since I'm in my 50's, he realized that was a pretty vague ballpark. I thought sure she'd try to pin me down again, but that must have been enough for her. "I'll bet it's worth every penny though, right?", was her last question. "Yup, to me it is," was my answer. She gave me a double "thumbs-up" as I drove off, so I guess it worked out okay. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1482 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:39 pm: | |
my response: ...more than you can afford a*shole! (just kidding...LOL) Just had a meeting with a buyer for our house and he asked. Usually people do not ask how much the car cost unless there has been a previous conversation. I get a lot: How old is the car and then people are blown away when I say 1991, it is 11 years old in April. Then they may ask and how much was it. That keeps on surpirsing people as well that you can actually afford them on even a regular salary.
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magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1963 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 10:24 am: | |
Steve, No great story only they don't build a carb. car anymore, which I am sure you are aware of,and this was my reason for buying it plus it is a low mileage car and has been preserved very nicely. |
wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart
Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 10:02 am: | |
The key here is how you would wanted to be treated. I think your posts just proved that. I try to respond to any question with a little humility(c'mon, we are all lucky to be driving these things) and encouragement. I've been known to let other people drive my cars, and when kids ask about 'em, i tell 'em, when i was their age, i wanted a ferrari and got one, just like they can. If somebody fucks w/ me, i just ignore it. Proving that somebody else is an is a big waste of time, and guess what, you won't convince them... |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 59 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 9:46 am: | |
My God guys!!!! When did I EVER say or imply that a 308 was not a great Ferrari!!!???????? Please re-read the posts carefully! You are taking it completely out of context. I VERY SIMPLY ASKED WHY MAGOO WOULD RESPOND TO THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS WITH "ALOT" IF HE WAS STANDING NEXT TO HIS 308 WHEN HE WAS ASKED. Making it clear that that was just a brush off, pompous answer and not the truth. That's it, real simple. |
Ken (Allyn)
Junior Member Username: Allyn
Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 9:27 am: | |
When I was returning to my Europa from a store once, a 50ish German lady was walking slowly around my car, looking at all the angles very intently. As I approached her I said, "Cute car, huh!" and she responded, "Ees so ugly I suppose ees cute". She got in her Porsche and drove off. I couldn't stop laughing for 5 min. at least. Surely if someone asks me what my car cost, whether I want to tell them or not, it can't be THAT rude to at least be kind to them. |
Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson
Post Number: 435 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 9:18 am: | |
When I was younger I wanted to see a 308 in person for a long time. I was have been very grateful to have seen one in person and had someone talk to me about them. I only saw 2 or 3 in the 80's. For you to say that it is just a 308. I can't believe I read this. When I first saw a 308 in person I was extremely excited. I never saw them so, if I did it was a big deal. How can you make hierarchal statements in a class of cars such as Ferrari? I have heard of shops leaving 308s outside to work on what they consider more important cars yet they are charging quite a large sum of money to work on the 308 and then put it outside as if it was the usual 308. You have made me very upset by this unthoughtful statement. This is the exact hypocrisy that you are speaking of. If Magoo doesn't want to discuss the value of his car I understand. I don't think it is any of their business plus no price can represent how I feel about my Ferrari and $$$ is not what it is about. When I am asked this question I feel they are just after dollar info and could care less about the car. I researched it for myself to find out the market info on 308s. If they were truly interested wouldn't they do the same and save the important questions such as service, reliabiltiy, etc. for when they meet a Ferrari owner? 308s are my Favorite cars in the world. They always will be. If they were as much as a 355 or 360 etc. it doesn't matter as that is my favorite car. I hope that you will gain some understanding from what I have tried to convey in this post. I feel we are all very fortunate to own a Ferrari. I am thankful everyday. |
Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson
Post Number: 433 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 8:50 am: | |
TWA, I am not happy with your comment about Just a 308. What is the matter with you? I think that is what ruins the fun of Ferrari ownership. When you label a less expensive Ferrari as an ordinary car. This is absurd. I wanted a 308 regardless. That is quite disturbing when you label with this approach. There is no lesser Ferrari. They are all great cars. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 1:23 am: | |
Magoo, so you have the last 308 carb ever built? there must be an interesting story in there somewhere. A few more posts and the rookie label will be gone |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1962 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 1:18 am: | |
Hey Rodney, That sounds good to me. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 1:12 am: | |
Hey guys, can't we all get along |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1961 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:38 am: | |
TWA, Treat my own with no respect. You need to see a therapist. These guys email me all the time and with what knowledge I have of what they are asking I try and help. You obviously are tuned in to the wrong channel. We are a brotherhood here because we share the same problems and express our feelings. So don't come on as a rookie and distort things as to start a problem. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1960 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:30 am: | |
10/4 Peter, We are on the same page. BRGDS, Magoo |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1959 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:28 am: | |
TWA, You don't know how I treat people in general. I respect them for what they are, not who they are. You obviously decided to make a big deal out of nothing. I am sure we will remember your TWA exoticars on future posts. And no we don't have to buy Mustangs or Camaros to prove your arguement. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 1547 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:22 am: | |
Wow, its certainly gotten interesting here in the last little while. Magoo, I'm not self-conscious, I'm not worrying over these people who call me a f---ing rich kid, I don't need them. But it still isn't nice to hear it, they don't know the story. If they knew the story, maybe their attitudes would change. But still, its your decision whether to tell them the price or not. You've made your decision, I respect and understand that. |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:14 am: | |
No, I simply decided to try and make light of it before you got all bent out of shape even more. Didn't work. Relax and treat people with respect. And that means strangers and fellow FC members. This started by you not treating strangers with respect and hurting our image and now you clearly treat your own with a lack of respect. But, it's all cool, everybody's different. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1958 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:09 am: | |
TWA, What bothers me is your comment about "being fun." It shows me that you are just trying to start trouble here on the F.C. site. You take something the wrong way and build it into a big problem. Well here on the F.C. we don't need that sort of attitude. So go back to your so called EXOTICARS, that you don't sell, and leave this site to its members. |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:02 am: | |
This is fun, eh?  |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:59 pm: | |
Exactly the attitude we've been speaking of. You should trade in your Ferrari for a Mustang, Camaro or Civic. You'd fit right in with most of those kids with your tough attitude. And then somebody could love and appreciate your Ferrari. |
Lung (Lung7707)
New member Username: Lung7707
Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:57 pm: | |
Wow this is a really tough crowd :-) |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1956 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:52 pm: | |
BYE, BYE, TWA Get a life. |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:48 pm: | |
TWA, I think most of us here are enthusiasts for many other marques as well as Ferrari. I do agree with you the the NSX is a great car, I love them. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1955 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:47 pm: | |
Flaming sounds like a good word to be used here. When you drive a Ferrari you know, you know, you are putting yourself on a pedestal. Nobody drives a exotic Ferrari, the ultimate, and doesn't expect to be noticed. This in itself is putting yourself on a pedestal. |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:44 pm: | |
Man, what is your problem? I simply pointed out that you should treat admirers with courtesy and not act the way YOU said you do. And you try and turn it on me like I have some high and mighty attitude. What is it that touched such a nerve with you? And, as for my name, I think it says exactly what I'm talking about and that's a love and appreciation for all EXOTIC CARS. Get it? |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:44 pm: | |
TWA I like to think of the "classic" Ferrari owner as someone who has a burning passion for Ferrari and life. I don't care how someone responds to a question that is rude to begin with. I respect Magoo and his opinions and most of the gentleman/women on this board. Seriously, I don't think people ask questions like that because they are seeking relevant information. If they were serious about the car and obtaining one now or in the future, they would most likely have done the research and know the prices. |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:41 pm: | |
Well said Lung!! Number 2 is of utmost importance. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1954 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:39 pm: | |
TWA, If you don't sell exotic cars, why does your profile say TWA Exoticars? Sounds phony to me. Like Bret asks what model Ferrari do you have? I'm sure it isn't a lowly 308 as many of us have. What "BIG" name Ferrari that you own brings you to this site? |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:39 pm: | |
Oh boy,......... the question about the 308 was because his response to the 'how much' question was "A lot!" Which I thought was an excessive answer and was moreso just being sarcastic to the person asking the question. A condescending attitude. You don't have to own a big money Ferrari to be cool here or anywere. I've owned a 308 too. I have a 97 355 GTS now. And, the NSX bash is cool I guess. It's certainly no Ferrari copy though, I can tell you that!! That car is amazing.... take some time and read up on it or even spend some time in one. You can't help but be very impressed. You surprise me though. I wished that we were car enthusiast and not just Ferrari guys. In fact, when in my Ferrari, I actually had someone say to me.. 'I bet you think that all other cars are crap and your Ferrari is the only real car, huh?' I spent quite a long time making it clear to him that that was not the case. Peace to everyone and sorry for the slight flaming...... Let's just try to be helpful car owners and not put ourselves on some self made pedestal. |
Lung (Lung7707)
New member Username: Lung7707
Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:36 pm: | |
Generally, I try to be guided by courtesy and common sense. I have been touched by "guidelines" put together by Joe Martz in the FAQ section of the Ferrari Club USA site. He talks about "How should a Ferrari Owner act?" I personally have been blessed by his approach. The link is: http://www.ferrariclub.com/faq/etiquette.html |
BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1650 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:25 pm: | |
You drive a 308 Magoo, you're not better than anyone else. What an a$$hole comment for starters. I didn't know that you had to have a big money Ferrari to be cool here. I also didn't know that having a house on wheels made you better than anyone else. I guess I have a lot to learn as I get older. btw, TWA what Ferrari do you have? I don't remember Ferrari making a model like the one in your profile. Something about a Japanese copy of Italian exotics comes to mind though. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1953 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:24 pm: | |
TWA, There is no reason to have a off line disscussion. Your statement about a wise ass comment, I repeat that when a person comes off as nosey or jealous I don't give them any info about anything. This is what this post is about whether or not to tell a person how much your car costs. I would rather let that person go off with out any answers and not getting any information from me. I choose to handle it that way. If you see it differently then so be it. |
TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:00 pm: | |
WOW, you have issues. Truly, I'm sorry to have this spat with you here and perhaps we should take it offline. I have huge respect for all car enthusiasts, I welcome all their questions and am disturbed that we are 'locking horns' over such a subject as I hope that we all would feel the same way. As far as your assumptions of my career and intentions, you are quite far off. I have 13 lines of new cars, and, of course, sell used cars at all 8 locations. I am not a salesman (although I was for about a year many years ago and there was nothing wrong with that) and have no interest in selling a car to people on the street that ask questions about mine. I do NOT sell exotic cars. And, I answer the way I do because I believe that if someone asks this question, then they WANT to know the answer and not hear some wise ass comment from someone with a false feeling of self worth. Realize that each person you respond this way to will never again approach an exotic car owner about their car. And that's a shame. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1951 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:53 pm: | |
Another thing Mr.TWA, whoever the hell you are. If a person owns a Ferrari he knows before he ever drives it that he doesn't have to flaunt it, it is a car that will flaunt itself. A lot of people ask questions because they are nosey and jealous. I don't choose to give these people the time of day. My friends are a different story. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1950 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:43 pm: | |
Mr TWA, We've locked horns before. You being in the car business, Are you a salesman or a business owner? My whole point here is not that I'm better than anyone else it's that I reserve the right not to tell anyone my business. Second, it has nothing to do with my demeanor on the street or any other Ferrari owner that is proud to drive and own a Ferrari. I am sure when you get into one of your Floor planned exotics you are just the normal and average guy just going to Macdonalds for lunch. Bullshit you are no different than anyone else who drives a exotic car. The reason you tell everyone what the car costs is because your a salesman and you want to make a sale. I have a lot of nice cars in my collection but I don't need some car salesman telling me how I have to act when I drive one, especially the Ferrari. And yes I drive a lowly 79 308 GTS. For your info. it is the last carb. model made. Another nice car for my collection. Is that OK with you? |
TWA (Exoticars)
New member Username: Exoticars
Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:22 pm: | |
I'm gonna go out on a limb here (short one) and say that you, Mr. Magoo are most definitely the 'classic' Ferrari owner that fuels these common negative stereotypes......... Comments like the earlier ones you made..... Why not let them think you have the greatest toy in the world, which you do. Let them dangle as to price and other costs. They go away drooling and in envy. If the truth would be known we like our Ferraris because they give the image of a untouchable. Don't play it down,"FLAUNT IT." ........ certainly portray your demeanor on the streets. And this comment...... Mostly when I am asked How much did it cost? I usually say, "A Lot." ???????? Don't you drive a 308? C'mon Magoo, you're NOT better than anyone else; try not to act it. By the way, my standard answer to the question is simple. Would you like to know how much it costs when it was new or how much it would cost you now? Are you in the market? |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1947 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 9:13 pm: | |
Hey Peter, Don't take it so personal. If you like the ohhhs and ahhhhs you enjoy flaunting your just like the rest of us. That's one of the reasons we show and drive or Ferraris. As for telling the price I paid for it that's my business and I don't have to tell you or anyone I don't choose to. If you are so self conscious to the point that you are afraid someone will call you a fu--ing rich b--ch then maybe you have the wrong car. Who stepped on your tail this evening? |
Mr. 001 (Racer_001)
New member Username: Racer_001
Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 8:11 pm: | |
Why don't you guys just tell tham it's nunion (sounds like onion) . Nun' yun' damn bizniss! |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 7:41 pm: | |
As for the question "How much?" My usually reply is it is not my car. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 7:37 pm: | |
William Huber, I thought that was pretty cool. If I recalled correctly Mr. Bill always got smashed in the end. |
William_Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 177 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 4:55 pm: | |
Sorry to offend you Peter or other F car fans, I can't remember where I found it. Maybe from the "AUTO TOY STORE SPECIAL OF THE WEEK." I just wanted to post it for those that haven't seen it yet. |
Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Junior Member Username: Solly
Post Number: 179 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 4:47 pm: | |
I always try to be nice to those who are genuinely interested (the "car nuts"), and have no problem talking about price with them. I am less patient with the drunk yokels that I bump into now and then. Bottom line: you treat me with some class and good humor and I will treat you the same way. But I hate the "experts" showing off their extensive Ferrari knowledge to their girlfriends, telling them all about the engine, performance, etc. (with no clue what they are talking about) while they are standing right in front of me, then telling the girlfriend how much better their Camaro/Firebird/Corvette/riceburner is, then asking "hey what did you pay for this?". Those guys are subtly told that my Dino is the experimental 12 cylinder model worth three million bucks. Not one "expert" has ever realized that THAT model had 3 seats. |
Steven Pham (Stevendp)
New member Username: Stevendp
Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 4:27 pm: | |
Hey William, put Mr. Bill between the two Fcars. Mr. Bill "OOOOHHH NNNOOO" |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 1546 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 3:17 pm: | |
I find the second .gif file kinda tragic William. A 355 Spyder and a 550 crashing into each other  |
tCoupe (Allen)
New member Username: Allen
Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:20 am: | |
On my Saturday morning drive yesterday I was gassing up and a voice behind me asked "Hey, how much did your car cost". So I turned to see who was asking and the guy was hiding behind a gas pump. I tried to get eye contact before I answered but he didn't want to show his face. Finally he poked his head up and I said $100k new in 1989. He said "That's a 1989 car? That's a nice car". I said thanks a lot! Then I went back to my favorite twisty mountain road session. |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360
Post Number: 499 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:16 am: | |
Let's face it, the only thing in the media that put Ferrari guys in a good light is Magnum P.I.. We Ferrari owners have to make the extra effort to defeat negative stereotypes (like I really need another stereotype to overcome). People tend to be in shock when you act real nice and actually talk to them. |
paul s (Pes236)
Junior Member Username: Pes236
Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:04 am: | |
just saw "the fast and the furious" hopefully no-one responds like the guy in the movie with the 355 - the movie made ferrari owners look real bad. anyone who saw the movie knows what i mean |
William_Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 176 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 8:42 am: | |
I wanted to see if a .gif file will work on this form. The running man is Mr. Bill from NBC's Saturday Night Live. Here's another I found
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Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson
Post Number: 429 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 8:36 am: | |
What is the running guy all about? I like it. |
William_Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 175 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 8:31 am: | |
I can't stand this question. If your dealing with a smart ass, tell them the amount in Lira. If there cool, give them the average market price.
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Steve (Steve)
Junior Member Username: Steve
Post Number: 104 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 8:13 am: | |
Lung usually an Asian import with chrome 18" wheels or hubcaps , ultra low profile tires , a high wing spoiler , windshield name decal , neon light skirt setup , brite blue driving lights (on all the time) ,Asian letter decals on the sides and no back seat just SPEAKERS (loud enough to hear them coming even in the 308). This is the new version of hot rods. Some folks trick the engines and some are for show. Disclaimer: If this offends anyone please note these are street terms and not subject to PC restrictions. These cars are AKA "Rice burners , Getto crusiers , etc. |
Lung (Lung7707)
New member Username: Lung7707
Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:51 pm: | |
Steve, What is a "rice rocket owner"? |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 1542 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:48 pm: | |
But don't rub it into their face. Most people walk away saying "f---ing rich b------" under their breath. That's the feeling I get most of the time (in my instance it would be "f---ing rich kid", I heard that before). Hey Magoo, I know what my car is, I don't have to prove anything. Like it was mentioned before, it all depends who's asking the question. Like my example I mentioned earlier, those kids now realise that some Ferraris are actually attainable and now they'd dream of owning one because it wouldn't be that hard to get. One of those kids was me years ago... Yes, I do like the ooohs and aaahs. Who doesn't? |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1944 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:08 pm: | |
Now lets all be honest here. We like it when people ouuu and ahhh over our Ferraris. Why not let them think you have the greatest toy in the world, which you do. Let them dangle as to price and other costs. They go away drooling and in envy. If the truth would be known we like our Ferraris because they give the image of a untouchable. Don't play it down,"FLAUNT IT." I had a guy stop me at a gas station. He said, "Absolutely beautiful car. The only problem is that you have it and I don't." Enjoy your Ferrari and for what it is. |
Steve (Steve)
Junior Member Username: Steve
Post Number: 102 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 7:29 am: | |
I guess we all get this question. I have a few responses depending who is asking. If it's a married guy I just say "it is less expensive then your wife and it performs better" . If it's a rice rocket owner then I just smile and say maybe you can get one some day (of course you have to yell to overcome the 1000 watt sound system).And when my friends 1st asked I told them my wife bought it for me. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1925 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 9:34 pm: | |
Alberto, You are a nice guy. Don't you like to flaunt it a little bit. After all that's one of the reasons you have a Ferrari and not a Vette. Make it sound special,which it is. BRGDS |
Alberto (Aabreu)
New member Username: Aabreu
Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 6:06 pm: | |
I don't get upset about this question, I think they are just in awe of the car and want to know more about it. If it is someone I do not know, I usually say "about the same as a Corvette." This seems to satisfy their curiosity without really getting into how much exactly it cost. The way I figure it, it puts it in perspective for them: "it's not cheap but not out of reach either." |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 307 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 3:31 pm: | |
I will have to remember that  |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
New member Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 2:54 pm: | |
I will go with TomD's response...except my wife did buy mine as a gift to me..........and usually that is my response to others as well..they usually go to the next line "Does she have a sister"?.... |
Russ Moore (Rem9)
New member Username: Rem9
Post Number: 46 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 2:10 pm: | |
I always am amazed when someone starts a conversation with themself while looking at the car. "That's not a real Ferrari, they don't look anything like that, do they?" This of course is said as they're climbing into that rusty Volvo wagon with 15 years of politics displayed upon the bumpers. The last one that said that got the response from me of, " Well, it doesn't look like an Impala anymore now does it? Isn't body work amazing!" I always gauge my response by the attitude a person exhibits. A person expressing genuine interest will get much time and effort in return. On the other hand there are those who bring to light the age old question of, "Why are there so many more horse's asses than there are horses?" Not much effort or even a response is given to them. Oft times they're looking for some form of confrontation, feeling you're solely responsible for all the maladies in their lives and the rotted out Chevette they're driving. Attitude is everything, it can ruin a life or improve it. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 1533 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 1:43 pm: | |
Once in a store parking lot, a mom and her kids were looking at my car, the mom asked me how much. I said it cost less than her Toyota Camry. Her jaw dropped to the ground. Its amazing, the general public really do think millionaires only own Ferraris. Good story Jerry W.! I laughed at that one!  |
Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
New member Username: Bob308gts
Post Number: 49 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 1:30 pm: | |
I didn't even have mine 24 hrs. when I was asked, is it a real Ferrari and when I answered yes it is came the " how much did it cost " question. |
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
Member Username: Vilamoura2002
Post Number: 279 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:36 pm: | |
It just depends on who is asking and my mood at that moment. One thing for sure, I am never soft answering it. :-) |
Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv
Post Number: 166 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 5:39 am: | |
I often get the "how much" about my '85 QV. Last guy who asked had a tricked up Subaru wrx evo xyz 123 or such, which he worked out cost him as much as my QV. Yes, I agreed with him his Subaru will do just about everything better, but the bottom line is, "I drive a Ferrari, you drive a Subaru!" ......Who ya gonna call!... |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1911 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:05 pm: | |
Opps, sorry, Your last name is Schirmer. Too bad you lose. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1910 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:03 pm: | |
Hey Dave, You're not David Schimmer on the T.V. series "Friends" are you? If you are I understand you will be getting 1 million bucks for each show . |
david schirmer (David)
Junior Member Username: David
Post Number: 224 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 10:56 pm: | |
Some kids came up to me at a gas station this weekend and admired the 308. They asked how much it cost and I told them. They were amazed and one of them said, "What, did you get it at one of those drug dealer auctions or something?" I have to agree with some of the posts regarding the "initiative" to own a Ferrari. Even when the price is downright affordable people will tell you how they would love to own one, but they don't step up. Too bad. That's why I don't mind telling the kids how much it costs. It gets them thinking. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1907 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 10:49 pm: | |
When someone says, "How much did you pay for it," and you respond "A Lot". You should see the look on their face. It's like "where do I go from here?" |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet
Post Number: 478 Registered: 1-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 9:51 pm: | |
This came up in my circle of friends when I first got my car....some did think it was rude of strangers asking me others didn't see it as such. some of the top response ideas: I don't know, they never sent me a bill. I won it in a poker game. Raced for pinks and WON! (to this I always get, what were you racing with, to which I reply, you'll have to find out the hard way....) I have no idea, it's my moms car. there were a few others, if I think of more I'll share. -Ben
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BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1612 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 8:49 pm: | |
Out of all the posts, I still think Steve's sarcastic alluding to The Fast and the Furious is the best idea. If we get everyone to hate Ferrari they will drop in price and we can buy them all. This may require some black eyes and assorted other injuries, but they're for the good of us all. |
Chris Richardson (Boozy)
New member Username: Boozy
Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 8:41 pm: | |
I get that a lot. It's funnier though when they ask how much the payments are on it. I say "payments?." Or I say I bought it on the chinese payment plan: One Lumpa Sum. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Member Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 821 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 8:07 pm: | |
I just tell them how much it cost. That's what they want to know. They are just curious because of all of the tales that they have heard. |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360
Post Number: 324 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 5:02 pm: | |
I usually say "I don't know- the bank owns it" Usually that engenders a puzzled look on their face and they walk off. |
Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966
Post Number: 100 Registered: 7-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 4:38 pm: | |
I'll never forget the half drunk booger eater that came up to me last fall at a gas station & asked...and I quote "f***ing A maaaan, what are you a millionaire and sh*t? How much does somethin' like that cost?" I replied $485,000. He said "holy ba jesus! you're shi**ing me dude!" He then asked if it had a rocket engine in it. I said "no, it's got a Nash and Feffer super turbo 12 with 9 on the floor." He said "no sh*t" and walked away. Where I got the Nash and Feffer thing I don't know, it just kind of rolled off my tongue. My buddy that was with me started laughing so hard he had Pepsi coming out his nose. It was quite a scene. Jerry. |
Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
New member Username: Rijk365gtb4
Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:45 pm: | |
I always tell them that it is not expensive to buy a Ferrari, the cost is in maintaining them properly |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360
Post Number: 487 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:31 pm: | |
I've met people who were impressed when I pull up in my stock Nissan Maxima grocery getter. I'd love to see their reaction when I show up in the 360.  |
Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson
Post Number: 408 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:14 pm: | |
The best part is the guy who just pulled up in the $50,000 Lexus thinks your a Millionaire. |
Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson
Post Number: 407 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:13 pm: | |
I don't think anyone should ask how much is costs unless they are a close friend/family. I especially don't appreciate it when it is the first thing that they ask. It isn't any of their concern. Do you ask a women driving a SUV how much it cost or how much their Ford truck costs them in payments every month. I think they want to see how much money you have. |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Junior Member Username: Ernie
Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:10 pm: | |
My friends and family I tell what I got it for. But Here is a good one to get the A-holes of your case "Are you offering to purchase it?" and if they say "yeah" you reply "Sorry it's not for sale" |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 294 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 9:19 am: | |
I tell them my wife bought it for me as a gift. That gets them off the subject |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355
Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 9:11 am: | |
I usually tell them its a copy and it only cost 20k. I then give them a name of a friend of mine who will build them one. Good joke on both of them. |
Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Junior Member Username: Corsa
Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:23 am: | |
I usually answer "The price range in sweden/europe for this kind of car is $35,000-60,000 depending on bla bla bla..." Friends asking is different thought. Ciao Peter |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1898 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 10:37 pm: | |
You know Hubert, That's part of the fun of owning one of these mysteries on wheels. Let them think it and let them drool. I like your word of "initiative" in place of "balls." Sort of takes the edge off of it. BRGDS |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
New member Username: Hugh
Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 10:27 pm: | |
Magoo, Your right, you do need a certain degree of initiative, with the expense of a new Ferrari, the commitment level is similar to that of buying an apartment or even a house in some states. People, in my opinion, ask not b/c they are being arrogant and pompous, and not b/c they want to make you uncomfortable. But, they ask b/c they are in awe, and maybe they are either trying to re- affirm the reason(s) why they can't afford a Ferrari, or maybe, like you said they are trying to overcome the mental hurdles of financial commitment inclusive in the Ferrari ownership experience. Imagine how refreshing it must be to someone to find out that a 308, 328, or even a 348, is w/in their price range by talking to an owener, rather than always assuming it to be unattainable. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1896 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 10:23 pm: | |
Excuse me, that last statement doesn't cover all Ferrari owners or F.C. members. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1894 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 10:12 pm: | |
Think about this. "It takes balls to buy a Ferrari." Most people are amazed because they know that they are very expensive. "How much did you pay for it?" Notice they always ask who does your service work for you. Meaning I can't do it so it has to be expensive. These hurdles are only some that people have to cross in their minds and usually decided they won't take the chance even though they drool for one. Last of all it is the ultimate dream car to most guys. So they envy you. The questions they ask are questions to find out why you had the balls to do it and they didn't. And quess what. They're still scared but envy you and would love to have one. "It takes balls to own a Ferrari." |
BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1600 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 10:03 pm: | |
I usually ask them why they would ask such a thing and what it really means to them if I tell them. I don't take offense to it if it's someone I know, I just expect a fair number to ask that. From random people though I take it somewhat offensive. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
New member Username: Hugh
Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 9:58 pm: | |
I don't really find it THAT offensive when someone asks me how much I paid for this and that. Granted I haven't bought anything on par w/ a Ferrari, none the less I don't find it inappropriate to quench someone's curiosity. I think, and this is subjective here, that most people ask b/c they have a certain pre-concieved notions about the exclusivity and expense of Ferrari's and other luxuries, and are compelled to curiousity by the simple fact that; 1. you just don't see a Ferrari everyday, and 2. perhaps have always been intimidated by thought of purchasing such a car b/c they have never actually met and conversed w/ someone that had some real world insight. Who knows, by being honest you might just facilitate someone's purchase of a car or brand they once thought unattainable. However, I will also say that most people that own exotics and the like, knew full well before they purchased them how much they cost and what it would take to afford them. So, w/ that said I would also say that depending on how someone asks, that should govern the type of response they get. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1891 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 9:47 pm: | |
Mostly when I am asked How much did it cost? I usually say, "A Lot." |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1056 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 9:35 pm: | |
it depends on the people asking & their attitude. If they r jerks or have an attitude I tell them it cost $200k new If they r cool I'll chat & tell them they can find a 512TR for $90k these days if they look around |
Lung (Lung7707)
New member Username: Lung7707
Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 9:22 pm: | |
Its funny, in Singapore most people won't ask the price of the car but will walk over and check out the road tax disc on the windscreen. They will then nod knowingly and walk away. A Testarossa (5 litre car) will cost about US$600 (S$1,000)per month on road tax alone. |
SteveF (Stevef)
New member Username: Stevef
Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 8:58 pm: | |
Have you seen The Fast and the Furious ? (yes, I'm kidding.) I think it's better to steer the discussion toward a common topic rather than something that can heighten the divide. |
wm hart (Whart)
New member Username: Whart
Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 8:56 pm: | |
The best ones i've encountered so far, are a guy and gal who walked past when i was filling up at a gas station, he said something to me which i didn't hear, and when i asked him to repeat it, his girlfriend, wife or whatever slugged him. Then i realized that he had offered to trade her to me, for the car. The other good one, just after i got the barchetta, was a guy who yelled to me at a stoplite, "hey, what model is that?" I responded: "The new model." He nodded, seemingly satisfied with that answer, and went his way... |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody
Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 8:29 pm: | |
my standard response is "if you have to ask...". doody. |
Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966
Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 7:26 pm: | |
I really love it when people have the guts to ask you how much something cost (or as many of them say, "costed"). I would never in a million years ask someone that, nor do I feel it is relevent or any of my business, yet I have had one acquaintance ask the question and three others go directly to E-Bay after they found out I bought a Ferrari and they said, "ya I saw a couple of 308's like yours on E-Bay for around $25,000-$30,000." So f***ing what. Why don't you go and buy one then you dipshits. What's really bad is it temporarily made me look at some Testarossas and 348's even though the 308 is my favorite. I then came to my senses and said the heck with them, I did not buy it to impress anyone. So often people judge others by the size of their wallet, it's sad. |