| Author | Message | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2695 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve A dehumidifier, space heater and air filter that could handle Justyn's garage would cost less than $500. A clean, well insulated, heated, filtered , dehumidified garage is simply a carcoon that you don't have to fuss with, or look at. Hey carcoons seem to sell well. That's what makes horseraces. Cheers | ||
| Joe (Spider)
New member Username: Spider Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2003 |
Steve Are you currently using de-humidifier ?? The Carcoon does seem like the way to go , especially as the weather gets really cold. My Garage is not heated so Carcoon could be an option. | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 27 Registered: 6-2002 |
James "With enough dehumidification you can keep condensation out of any room" I agree,but how big and expensive does the system need to be.Systems like this are not practical and I suspect not affordable for most classic car owners. Once the car is in the Carcoon it is in it's own dry,dust free enviroment. Joe "Since my last posting ive noticed some staining on the aluminium alloy parts of my 360 engine?" This would not occur in a Carcoon,nor do you have problems with sticking clutches and brakes. BTW nice garage. Justyn Nice car and your right it is a tight fit,will take the photos this weekend. Andrew Good to see someone else from the north west on Fchat and it would be nice to meet another Ferrari owner.Do you attend the North West area of the FOC monthly meets,I have been thinking of giving it a go. Steve | ||
| Joe Johncock (Spider)
New member Username: Spider Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2003 |
Hi guys im in London Since my last posting ive noticed some staining on the aluminium alloy parts of my 360 engine? With some eager rubbing with adry cloth this is removed, could this be the start of condensation on the alloy parts of the engine. Does this occur in the carcoon?? If not could be worth a look. P.S. no other signs in my garage of any condensation. Joe | ||
| Justyn (Justynb)
Junior Member Username: Justynb Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2003 |
Stevew, thanks very much for offering to take some photos, I am very interested to see how you have suspended it from the ceiling. By the way, here are some pictures of my carcoon & 348 in the garage. Its a very tight fit so being able to "lift" the cover without having to fold it all away would be more convenient.   Justyn. | ||
| Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member Username: Aehaas Post Number: 119 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have the Ebac Neptune. It needs a humidistat, I got the Honeywell 42E, I think. Then you can locate it like 20 feet away for a better, remote humidity reading. Just do a search for your local distributers, around $800. http://www.ebacuk.com/Website/English/index.htm My garage is about 2000 sq. ft. and it does the job to keep it at around 50 percent humidity here in Florida. You need to drill a hole in the wall and get some plastic tubing to make it drain outside continuously. There are also pump models if you need to go up. I get out several gallons a day and it is not on all the time, this is good. I do not know what all these ratings are since they are not really standardized as cheeper, $200 Sears models claim to get more water out. It is just not the same as these commercial models. These units get more water out, run less, do not freeze up and last longer.  aehaas | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2676 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve W The laws of physics, last time I looked, are the same in NY and the UK. Condinsation can only form when the dew point is reached. Note the garage with the Daytona coupe. Heated, humidity controlled, filtered air. Plus you get to look at the cars. With enough dehumidification you can keep condinsation out of any room. I've seen an indoor pool with 55,000 gallons of 85 degree water and an air temp of 90. Using 20 tons of dehumidification and fans even when it's snowing outside the glass curtin wall remains clear. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 399 Registered: 9-2002 |
Steve, nice to have someone near me, I'm in chester but am based in Warrington for work, have to get togethor for a pint sometime? | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2002 |
Andrew I'm near Bury just north of Manchester. Steve | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2002 |
Heated garages are great but in cold weather condensation will still form where you can see it and where you cant(inside all the box sections and cavity's on a car).Dehumidifiers will remove some of the moisture from the air but not all of it,especially on the days when the weather is particualy bad. Condensation can only form in a still atmosphere(ie inside a garage).When a car is placed inside a Carcoon the air inside is constantly moving and therefore no condensation can form. Even if the inside of your garage is damp,inside the Carcoon will be dry and so will your car. It takes me around 2 minutes to get the car out of the Carcoon and the same time to put it back. As standard the Carcoon is see through(coded ones are available as are outdoor ones),so I can go into the garage anytime and look at the 308 and enjoy its shape,even in the winter and not worry about damp etc. Another thing worth thinking about is that a good quality car cover will cost you the best part of 200 pounds,and this will touch the car when fitted.A Carcoon to fit a Ferrari will retail at 369 pounds plus VAT and does not touch the car. Imagine all the clutter that is in some garages,the kids or the wife go into the garage and knock something off the wall,normally it would land on your car,but if it was in a Carcoon it would bounce of the side of the Carcoon. James It doesn't say in your profile where you are from,but over here in the UK the Carcoon is definately the way to store a car. Justyn I'll take a couple of pics this weekend and try to post them(never done that before).It's pretty basic,only 3 pieces of rope and 6 roof fasteners. Steve | ||
| Steve D'Gerolamo (Ultgar)
New member Username: Ultgar Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2003 |
Whatever system you use in the garage, I'd recommend a set of controls that allows you to set and monitor humidity levels. The simple humidistat shown also allows setting of fan speed and make-up air CFM via electric damper.  | ||
| Matthew Cooper (Dopplemax)
New member Username: Dopplemax Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2003 |
William, you can link to our website from my profile. | ||
| Matthew Cooper (Dopplemax)
New member Username: Dopplemax Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2003 |
Steve, the unit size is dependent on the area to be ventilated's volume. The physical installation would require that the roof curb built for the unit match the roof pitch. The curb itself would be fabricated by your roofing or sheet metal contractor. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3231 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matthew, what is your companies website ? How much is a dehumidifying system for a 10 car garage? thanks | ||
| Steve D'Gerolamo (Ultgar)
New member Username: Ultgar Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2003 |
Matthew...do you have a system that will work with a gable/pitched roof found on most residential garages? SD | ||
| Matthew Cooper (Dopplemax)
New member Username: Dopplemax Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2003 |
Our environmental firm has a division which specializes in complex indoor environmental solutions including specialty car storage. We recently completed a clients garage system which includes gas heat / air-conditioning and the use of RenewAire air to air heat exchangers. The heat exchangers are roof mounted and provide constant exhaust balanced with constant fresh air supply that results in a slight positive pressure. The heat exchanger provides latent moisture removal of the fresh air while preventing lost energy from straight exhausted air. The overpressurization prevents moisture vapor infiltration from outdoors.    | ||
| Steve D'Gerolamo (Ultgar)
New member Username: Ultgar Post Number: 25 Registered: 2-2003 |
I highly recommend a Therma-Stor Air Purifying Dehumidifier (APD). This unit is a great complement to any air conditioning system (if you live in a humid climate) or works great as a stand-alone system. Even the fresh air brought into the garage (0 to 400cfm, adjustable) can be filtered to 95%. After some experimenting, I now set and leave the digital controls at 48% RH. If you want the best portable dehumifier, their Santa Fe unit works great and has a built-in pump and 20' of discharge hose. See http://www.ultimategarage.com/UltGar2g.htm for photos and additional comments. I plan on using these products in all future garage projects. SD | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3224 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have a SEARS dehumidifier in my garage, going to upgrade to a serious built in unit. a word of CAUTION, if you use a standing dehumidifier on the floor of your garage & you have a gas furnace. move the dehumidifier up to at least 3 feet cus gas from the furnace can leak out & lie on the floor of the garage, if the gas is there & the dehumidifier or any other electric equipment turns on & is near the floor. Lets just say it would give you a really bad hair day | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 101 Registered: 6-2003 |
I use two dehumidifiers - basically some crystals in bags over buckets. It does seem very dry in there. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 394 Registered: 9-2002 |
As my cars don't get used a great deal in the winter, I keep my garage heated and dehumidified, the carcoons are great but as JamesG said you just cant see them or work on them when their in one, a good roller shutter door and some draft excluders made my garage draft free, one luxury if you can do it is under floor heating, makes it almost comfortable when your on your back cleaning all the muck off the underneath of the cars!! as a side note if you run your dehumidifier at a very high level you may dry the cars out too much (cracking leather hoses etc) SteveW where abouts in the north west are you? | ||
| stephen winter (355f)
New member Username: 355f Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ive tried the available options. The carcoon is ok but you are still circulating damp air around it!! At least there is airflow, so corrosion will be less. Without doubt the best option is a dehumidifier. For the UK market you need one with autogas recirculation. This stops the unit from icing up in colder weather(when the dehumidifer is less effective anyway) DO NOT buy a cheap thing from a supermarket Ive found the best one is a toshiba you can go to www.dryitout.com | ||
| Joe Johncock (Spider)
New member Username: Spider Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2003 |
Did you know that by sealing the walls and floor in your garage you can almost prevent damp conditions in the first place. Ive completely revamped garage including floor, all thats going is �65.00 Asda Humidifier its been no problems at all. Must say tho the Condomthingy looks pretty effective tho, take the cost of that against revamping garage and your got a showroom for your prize F.car to live in .  | ||
| Justyn (Justynb)
Junior Member Username: Justynb Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2003 |
Steve (Stevew), do you have any photos showing how you suspend your carcoon from the ceiling? I have a carcoon too and have to keep folding it up when I want to use the car. It sounds like you have devised a good method to get around this. Kind regards, Justyn. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2666 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve W "I keep my 308QV in a Carcoon,it is the only way to store and preserve a classic car" Is IMHO a flat mistatement. I own a few classic cars which have raced at LeMans, won Pebble and various other concours among other things and my garage which is heated and dehumidified seems to have worked just fine. In addition they're a lot easier to see and enjoy when their not encased in a condom. | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2002 |
Steve I keep my 308QV in a Carcoon,it is the only way to store and preserve a classic car. There are 6 eyelets on the Carcoon which I use to hang it from the garage roof.Whe I want to use the car I just inplug,unzip the base,fold the sides onto the top of the Carcoon and drive away. Same to store the car but in reverse.You don't need to use the eyelets but by using my method nothing touches the car. You dont get any musty smells,you dont even get any dust on the car. I have found that during cold spells the air inside the Carcoon is actually warmer than the air outside. The transformer for the fans also acts as a trickle charger for the battery,so even after long periods of storage the battery will be fully charged. I own a Classic Car Restoration business in the North West of England and also Carcoon Dealers. I can offer UK ferrari owners a good discount on retail prices,we also operate a full mail order service. If anyone has any questions please give me a ring on 01706 874874. Cheers Steve | ||
| Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member Username: Aehaas Post Number: 114 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have a sizable dehumidifier set at 50 percent for my 2,000 sq. ft. garage here in Florida where it is very humid most of the time. It also helps keep the tools and other things from rusting over time. | ||
| Gordo A. (Gordo)
Junior Member Username: Gordo Post Number: 196 Registered: 2-2003 |
Steve, I am in the UK as well and went through 3 winters with my pre-F car Porsche smelling damp, fogged up dials etc. When I got the 348 I invested in this thing, now been through the winter and car was TOTALLY dry. Doesnt do anything for heat but it sounds like you have that covered. www.carcoon.co.uk  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2664 Registered: 10-2002 |
Use a good quality dehumidifier. Keep temp 65F and humidity 40%. Don't cover. Keep car windows open to allow air flo. If you do all will be well. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 685 Registered: 11-2001 |
Steve it would take a pretty big Dehumidifier to remove the moisture from England. Joking aside, why do you feel that your garage is overly humid? And, wouldn't the 90 cars have rust treatment? | ||
| Stephen Etheridge (Surreytr)
New member Username: Surreytr Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2003 |
I have a garage attached to the house where I keep a weekend use 1990 TR alongside my daily use car. The garage holds the 2 boilers for the house so this prevents it getting too cold but I'm still concerned about humidity leading to corrosion. Should I consider investing in a dehumidifier or are these car bag (e.g. 'carcoon') air flow systems better? I don't really fancy having to take the car out of a bag each time I want to use it, but if it prevents corrosion them maybe its worth it? As a newbie to this forum I'd appreciate any advice on suitable storage for a car that is used only a couple of times a month? At present the only thing I have is a breathable dust cover. Steve (UK) |