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Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1206
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 3:07 pm: | |
Thanks for the info. I was just trying to think of a decent use for that WSR chassis. I'm not a fan of Toyotas in any form. From what you guys are saying, it sounds like the Toyota WSR is a dead circuit and the car itself would not be competative in its current form. So probably just "dead weight" as far as any real value, unless of course somebody just liked to go racing and wasn't worrying about being competative. As usual, this all means that the car itself is probably way overvalued by the owners (rich company) who want their money back, or it's all a write off as an advertising expense. Which means it should be sold for cheap. Either way, I probably don't need it. But it's not every day that I see such a car for sale around here. I also thought that a rice rocket fan might want the engine. Still seems like a 308 or a Cadillac V8 might fit in place of the Toyota. But would probably take more cutting and hacking than it would be worth. But it would sure make a strange street rod!
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will h (Willh)
Junior Member
Username: Willh
Post Number: 68
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 10:30 pm: | |
One more thought. We considered putting a Toyota Atlantic engine in my WSR to try to make it competitive in CSR, but my mechanics felt that too many other changes would have to be made to accommodate all that extra power. So it may not be worth converting the beast to a 308 engine. If it would be helpful, I could post photos of my old car. regards, Will |
will h (Willh)
Junior Member
Username: Willh
Post Number: 66
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 10:16 pm: | |
I owned a WSR and raced it both in SCCA's CSR class, and in the old "American City Racing League," the pro series Sean mentioned. I recently sold mine, which was in fantastic condition with a great motor, data, and spares, for about $14k. I sold the car because the pro series died.
At one time, in the mid-90s I believe, there was a fairly popular pro series with decent car counts - that was before my time, though.
The car was indeed a blast to drive. It's definitely a step up from SCCA spec racer ford, more power, more tune-ability, slicks, etc, yet as Sean says still some street parts which helped reduce cost. I believe that the cars at first were carbureted, but later were switched to fuel injection at great cost to the owners. Some were never converted, I gather.
I still see these cars occasionally at SCCA races. They are not competitive with the fastest CSR cars, but CSR is a strange class, and at any given event you could win in a WSR depending on who shows up. I once won an SCCA national in a WSR because the "real" CSRs either broke down or were disqualified - hey, I'll take what I can get.
There used to be a WSR forum on ezboard.com - you might also check the s2000 forum on ezboard, those guys would know about the WSRs, which they might also know as S1600s. There seem to be a number of cars on the West Coast.
My principal concern about buying one of these cars, other than lack of competitiveness in CSR if that bothers you, would be the availability of parts. I believe someone has recently purchased from the original manufacturer the molds for the fiberglass body pieces, so I'd hope you could replace those as necessary. I guess you'd also have to keep in mind that the car really represents old technology - there are an increasing number of CSR/DSR options now, though all are more expensive than a WSR. |
Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 168
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 9:25 am: | |
The back of the car is an MR2. Basically, most of the components from the roll bar back (gearbox, suspension, clutch, engine, etc..) can be replaced with factory parts.
The idea was to build a sports racer with as many stock components as possible to keep costs down. They used to have their own pro series (I think it died) but now are eligable to race in the SCCA in D-sports or maybe C-sports racer.
All the guys I've talked with that own them think they are a blast and realtively inexpensive to race.
Just know that the words cheap and racing will never go together. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 10:12 pm: | |
Anybody know anything about a Toyota powered racer built by World Sports Racer in Vista, California? Powered by a transverse, rear mounted Toyota 4 cylinder and transaxle. I found one locally that might be for sale. Was the chassis built specifically for a Toyota? Sure looks like a 308 engine might fit in place of the Toyota. Anybody know anything about these cars?
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