1962 GTO sells for $35 Million - Page 8

GTE · #**141** 06-10-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by redzone

I saw this about 2 weeks ago. Whats the value of this? Been sitting for ten yrsAnyone have an idea?

6701GT

not as valuable as 6885GT me thinks.

328dgtb · #**142** 06-10-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tspringer

Interesting.

I find it incredibly pretentious, arrogant, elitist and downright disgusting that people decided to judge other peoples passions and the use of their own funds to pursue their passions in the manner you do. You do not know what is motivating someone to own what they choose to own. You do know what aspect of owning it brings them pleasure - yet you and so many like you here instantly pass judgement and sit on the high horse so snide and arrogant with your judgements. What right do you have to tell someone that they should etch messages in the glass of their car or they are pretentious liars? Amazing.

It did not used to be this way. When I first got passionate about vintage Ferrari's in a more serious way it was about the experience of the cars for the most part. Having fun. Driving them. Playing with them. Using them as as they were intended to be used - on the road and track flogging them hard for fun.

Now - its about elitism, power, money, exclusivity.... and most important of all: making sure only the "right" crowd gets to play. It is disgusting.

I deeply miss my Daytona every day. Selling it was the worst mistake car wise I have ever made. But when I have the funds again to purchase another - I am not sure I will. I think I would perhaps rather have a Porsche 911RS or a Lola or something different. Something where the crowd is not so damn judgmental and elitist.

They are CARS. Not objects of freaking worship from which God himself is going to issue forth eternal salvation. I wish all the elitists would fall off that high horse and get back in touch with the real world.

Terry

Whilst respecting your views I don't agree with them. In the past I have been relatively indifferent to replica's/rebodies, like you believing each to their own and it's their money etc. but I have found my standpoint has slowly changed. I don't agree that the enthusiasts around here are being elitist or disgusting etc. in their desire to preserve what vintage Ferrari's there are left, in as near to their original state as possible.

My other great great passion is art and I now find myself drawing parallels with the art world and the historic car world. For example, old master artworks - as well as being very fine examples of creativity and skill not to mention decorative pieces are also important historical artefacts that give us an insight into how things were hundreds of years ago. Thankfully sensitive custodians of these pieces have looked after them over the years to such an extent that we can now enjoy them for what they are and what they represent. There is a joy in seeing the original brush strokes of a revered artist long-dead.

What I'm coming to is that although we purchase these cars with our own money I sincerely believe they too are historic artefacts that we also have a duty to preserve for generations to come. I think this is particularly true of historic Ferrari models as they seem to becoming more and more the most desired of the genre. I would also go so far as to say that the current prices being achieved at the upper end of the scale GTO's etc. probably reflect this. I also believe that so-called 'lowlier' models such as PF Coupe's, 250 GTE's, 330 GT 2+2's should also be preserved as they too have a place in history and will become more and more important as time goes by.

So, what I would really like is an original Rembrandt but sadly they are probably out of reach for me but to settle for a painting that is a copy of a Rembrant or even by someone who worked with Rembrandt does not make it a Rembrant no matter how much I would like it to be.

I for one accept that original Rembrandts are for a lucky few but sadly for now, I am not one of them.

David

bitzman · #**143** 06-11-2012, 10:53 AM

(never mind that I was offered one by Henry Manney in 1969 for $18,000...)
in the art world I think van Goghs have gone for $100 million or more and if there's a fire,
you could lose it in 5 minutes where if a GTO burned down to the frame tubes it could be rebuilt. And more fun to drive around in than a van Gogh.
Also I remember this N. California car dealer who paid $16 million for a race horse and then the horse went and died on him.
You can blow an engine in the GTO and have a rebuilt engine a month later. So I think it's a more durable investment, and 250GTOs rising values sure as hell outperform the Dow...
we're just luck Mark Zuckerberg hasn't discovered old Ferraris, he could have bought
all the GTOs (and maybe all the short wheelbase berlinettas) the day of his IPO.

250P · #**144** 06-11-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bitzman

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we're just luck Mark Zuckerberg hasn't discovered old Ferraris, he could have bought
all the GTOs (and maybe all the short wheelbase berlinettas) the day of his IPO.

If they were for sale ;o) all the tea in China and all that

merstheman · #**145** 06-12-2012, 01:07 PM

Funny to see how bits of discussions here end up on Jalopnik from time to time...

**miurasv** · #**146** 06-17-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by redzone

I saw this about 2 weeks ago. Whats the value of this? Been sitting for ten yrsAnyone have an idea?

In response to redzone's post 140 in this thread. As GTE above has said c/n 6701 which is a 275 GTB Competizione Speciale. See link below. Sorry, no idea of value other than a great deal of money

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...#post136751564

**michael platzer** · #**147** 06-18-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tomgt

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is this 3505GT? when and where were the pics taken?

**michael platzer** · #**148** 06-18-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by redzone

I saw this about 2 weeks ago. Whats the value of this? Been sitting for ten yrsAnyone have an idea?

The car is not sitting for ten years. i have pics of 6701 racing in 2005.

**redzone** · #**149** 06-18-2012, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by michael platzer

The car is not sitting for ten years. i have pics of 6701 racing in 2005.

Interesting,from what I was told at the time it hasnt moved.Is it the same car?

tomgt · #**150** 06-18-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by michael platzer

is this 3505GT? when and where were the pics taken?

Yes it is
Olney, UK, 1999

**michael platzer** · #**151** 06-19-2012, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redzone

Interesting,from what I was told at the time it hasnt moved.Is it the same car?

see pic - same car!

Enigma Racing · #**152** 06-20-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JazzyO

Dear Kim, slightly puzzled by this open letter to me, the PM box is open. In any case, your invitation to drive your car is very kind, I wasn't aware of it, perhaps I missed it. Neil's work on vintage Ferrari is highly regarded worldwide, and it would be very interesting to see his shop. Perhaps I can fit it into my schedule one day.

But I have not changed my position on replicas although I am pretty sick of discussing them, and I am deeply grateful for the separate section so I can avoid going there too often.

I still have issue with replicas using original Ferrari material, as they impact on the ever dwindling stock of old parts that could be used for original cars (which no matter how you play it should have first dibs) - not to mention the horrendous practice of destroying a car's original identity to resurrect it as a fake something else, which is still going on on a daily basis.

But my biggest issue is the one of pretence. I cannot stand replica owners that pretend to own something which they actually do not. If one has a replica/recreation (potato/potAAto) car, one should be a man and etch it into the window pane so it is there for everyone to see. THEN one can legitimately claim to own the car only for the driving experience and aesthetics, not to try and impress with another peacock's feathers as we say in Holland.

So far, no replica owner I have met has avoided the trap of pretending to be someone else. It would be really nice for someone not to conform to my prejudices and proving that it is actually possible to live up to their own claims (honestly, I only have it for myself!). The very fact that people tend to get angry when their car is correctly described says bundles.

But perhaps they are out there. I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.

Cordially yours,

Onno

Onno

I am bemused. My open letter to you was part of a discussion on Hereema's GTO, a car I know well and Neil restored. Given you have met Neil and Hereema's is Dutch I thought you would be interested. Bizarrely, you have ignored this and have chosen to only reply and on a subject you profess to be sick of discussing. The lecture and venomous words are indeed very boring.