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04-15-2012, 01:23 PM
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When you look at the Series II GTO's, you can generalize and divide race histories into 2 categories; privateer with mostly hillclimbs 'hillclimbers', and cars that ran in the front ranks in some of the major international races of the day. Not to say anything negative at all about hillclimbs, just that in terms of 'value' perception people will pay more for 'name' races etc. When you take the Series II GTO's as a group, 4675 has been called into question for the modern state of its front end 'nose' etc. I mentioned it along with 3445 because; it has sold recently, and because of the nose issues etc. Best, Dave 
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04-15-2012, 06:29 PM
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3445's current nose details are correct from its very early days (i.e. pre-Ulf Norinder). This was the point in time BEFORE it got its Blue and Yellow 'Swedish Colors' paint job.
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#43
04-15-2012, 07:42 PM
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My posts in this thread have always been driven by a single point: I would prefer a car that has as much of its original sheet metal as possible. Yes, that goes for the rest of the car/its parts as well. For the sake of it, I will call that condition 'original'. I would like as original a car as possible. Yes, for a competition car race history is of paramount importance. Yes, I understand cars break while racing. Not discounting either of those things at all. I'm not sure how you introduced the subject of 3445's nose. My point has always been that 3445's WHOLE BODY is 15 years younger than the car. While others can debate over whether the details are 'correct' or not, I will take the position that the original bodies were hand made by a limited group of men at a certain Point in Time. Anything that does not include all those elements will be some degree of Less Original. I may be wrong or I may be outside the norm, as it were, but that is the clearest I can state my position. In case I'm not being clear, I don't care how correct the details of a later Copy appear for the purposes of comparing them to a replica. They're both replicas. The car in Post #1 of this thread is a replica. Ferrari 250 GTO c/n 3445GT is a real Series I GTO with a REPLICA body. Replica in the sense that it was made from scratch in the middle 1970's. I'm not interested in how good a copy it is of a real Series I body because it is that: a Copy. With regards to 4675, to reiterate, I chose this car to discuss because it had a clear Current Market Value via its recent Private Treaty sale on the open market AND it was Not a No Stories car, mechanically. While they may have been mild, there were some issues. That to me effects the value just as buying a Series I with a body made completely from scratch in the 70's is going to effect the value compared to a similar Series I without these issues. We may have veered just slightly off topic in our sub-discussion, Terra. I would be more than happy to move on, agree to disagree, or carry on this conversation privately- if any of those would work for you. Thank you for your points and Forza! Best, Dave
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#44
04-15-2012, 08:52 PM
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If that's what you're saying, how so?
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#45
04-15-2012, 10:51 PM
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'When you take the Series II GTO's as a group, 4675 has been called into question for the modern state of its front end 'nose' etc. I mentioned it along with 3445 because; it has sold recently, and because of the nose issues etc.'
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#46
04-16-2012, 04:02 PM
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What's wrong with 4675 mechanically?
But yes, if we're really going that way, it has a "more" original body than 3445. It's just that rebodied 62's appear to be at the bottom of the GTO food chain (below the original 64's and original 62's). And neither the Breadvan nor the 330's nor 3809+3967 (engines?) should be allowed to be shown at GTO meetings.
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#47
06-04-2012, 10:57 AM
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Yeah, it's real.
Back to the original question, is it real or not? The answer is yes.
The owner is Michael Hammer, heir to the Armand Hammer fortune. He recently bought the GTO in Europe and had it flown over here to join his already impressive collection, which includes an original 427 Cobra and this amazing Bentley: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30204660@N06/3638149517/ I live in Montecito and every Sunday morning there is a Cars & Coffee get-together on Coast Village Road. Mike doesn't always show up, but when he does, he brings something good. Yesterday it was the GTO; last week it was a really cool Dodge Challenger R/T resto-mod.
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06-04-2012, 11:01 AM
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07-11-2012, 10:15 PM
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