365 GTC/4

[sam231]

Originally Posted by Dbone

Sam,
is that a fiberglass front bumper painted-- or is it the rubber one painted?

Mine is in the painting stage- and I may paint the front bumper-- - your car looks great with the painted front. Others look great as well- just cleans these cars up--- I sure would like to have a second fiberglass one, then have it painted with the car and keep my original black rubber one for later.

dave

Dave,

I had always thought mine car had fiberglass replacement bumpers - but on closer inspection they are actually the standard rubber variety! They were painted by previous owner in Texas. Even though I think the paint makes the car appear more attractive(less "clown lips" look), the sheen in the paint makes ripples in the bumper stand out more.

Sam

[Jack-the-lad]

Has anyone ever taken the time and expense to replicate a C/4 bumper in chrome or stainless steel? Surely there are sufficiently talented metal workers out there to do it. Just wondering, as a big fan of chrome bumpers, myself....

[Ashman]

Originally Posted by Jack-the-lad

Has anyone ever taken the time and expense to replicate a C/4 bumper in chrome or stainless steel? Surely there are sufficiently talented metal workers out there to do it. Just wondering, as a big fan of chrome bumpers, myself....

I don't know the answer but I think that it would be a very good idea to work up a photoshopped version first to see what it would look like. Of course, symmetry would demand that the rear bumper be given the same treatment as well.

I'm trying to picture a C/4 with chrome bumpers and don't think that it would appeal to me, personally.

[SCantera]

There is no chrome to be found on a C/4. I think it's because Jack-the-Lad can't get his former 330 GTC out of his system.

[sam231]

Chrome bumpers would make me think of Hawks basketball player Ivan Johnson every time I got in the car...................

[Jack-the-lad]

Originally Posted by SCantera

There is no chrome to be found on a C/4. I think it's because Jack-the-Lad can't get his former 330 GTC out of his system.

You are a wise man.

[GaryK]

I just thought I would chime in as a long term C-4 owner.

I have had my car since 1986. When purchased it I gave it a rolling restoration including full strip repaint and 40,000 miles later is is still a Platinum Award winner. It has been the most trouble free car I have ever owned. The engine and drive train have never had an issue. The only things I have done beyond normal maintenance are brakes, brake hoses and fuel lines in the engine compartment. The radiator was rebuilt once. The Webers, once I replaced the brass floats with newer plastic ones that don't crack, have stayed in good tune. It has coilover shocks replacing the load levelers.

I recently took the valve covers off to redo the crackle finish and while there checked the valves. They were all within spec so we just optimized those that were not centered in the spec and put it back together, adjusting the chain in the process.

I firmly contend that if the car has not been abused, has not been overheated and good oil is used the car will last nearly forever. Of course this requires the car is driven on a regular basis and brought to full temp when doing so. Fifteen hundred miles a year may not seem like much, but if it done in reasonable increments with a through warm up it will insure that both you and the car are having a good time.

The car still drives like a new car, sounds fantastic and makes me proud wherever I take it.

It will be at Concorso this year in Monterey and at the Ferrari National meet in Palm Springs this fall. We always have a great picnic by the car so if you happen to be at either event stop by and say hello and share a glass of Vino. Look for the car and picnic table with White umbrella.

Gary Kuntz

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by GaryK

I just thought I would chime in as a long term C-4 owner.

I have had my car since 1986. When purchased it I gave it a rolling restoration including full strip repaint and 40,000 miles later is is still a Platinum Award winner. It has been the most trouble free car I have ever owned. The engine and drive train have never had an issue. The only things I have done beyond normal maintenance are brakes, brake hoses and fuel lines in the engine compartment. The radiator was rebuilt once. The Webers, once I replaced the brass floats with newer plastic ones that don't crack, have stayed in good tune. It has coilover shocks replacing the load levelers.

I recently took the valve covers off to redo the crackle finish and while there checked the valves. They were all within spec so we just optimized those that were not centered in the spec and put it back together, adjusting the chain in the process.

I firmly contend that if the car has not been abused, has not been overheated and good oil is used the car will last nearly forever. Of course this requires the car is driven on a regular basis and brought to full temp when doing so. Fifteen hundred miles a year may not seem like much, but if it done in reasonable increments with a through warm up it will insure that both you and the car are having a good time.

The car still drives like a new car, sounds fantastic and makes me proud wherever I take it.

It will be at Concorso this year in Monterey and at the Ferrari National meet in Palm Springs this fall. We always have a great picnic by the car so if you happen to be at either event stop by and say hello and share a glass of Vino. Look for the car and picnic table with White umbrella.

Gary Kuntz

What a great first post.

Looks like a wonderful car found the perfect steward.

[2000C4]

Apparently at least one metal bumper has been made - take a look

http://www.thepanelshop.net/blog/?p=5

I have mixed feelings about painting my original bumper - although I do agree, I have seen pictures of a light blue C4 with a same color bumper, and it looks good.

Aaron

[Tassie]

Gary,
I have owned mine since 83 (I think) and agree with you.
Only real problem is wearing through the exhaust pipes with road crud kicked up from the front wheels, hopefully reduced now as I have gone to SS headers.
You guys decide which is best, wire or spoke. No trouble with wires except keeping them clean, no trouble with the mag wheel either!

[Rob Lay]

Originally Posted by Tassie

Gary,
I have owned mine since 83 (I think) and agree with you.
Only real problem is wearing through the exhaust pipes with road crud kicked up from the front wheels, hopefully reduced now as I have gone to SS headers.
You guys decide which is best, wire or spoke. No trouble with wires except keeping them clean, no trouble with the mag wheel either!

Beautiful! I love that color on the GTC/4.

[Ak Jim]

Tassie, great color. I contemplated painting my 365 gt4 that color but went with silver instead. After seeing your pictures I wish I had gone with the green. Oh well maybe in 10-15 years I'll do a color change.

[Jack-the-lad]

I think alloy wheels better suit the later Enzo-era cars, both aesthetically and practically.

[simon klein]

Originally Posted by Tassie

Gary,
I have owned mine since 83 (I think) and agree with you.
Only real problem is wearing through the exhaust pipes with road crud kicked up from the front wheels, hopefully reduced now as I have gone to SS headers.
You guys decide which is best, wire or spoke. No trouble with wires except keeping them clean, no trouble with the mag wheel either!

...and the rest of the collection?????????........

Bill M's car looks great with Borrani's and the colour-coded nose,as well.

[Zanny1]

The debate over what type of wheel looks better was covered a few years ago on the GTC/4 forum. It appears the preference was split right down the middle with the members of this website.

http://www.365gtc4.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=538

[4rePhill]

Originally Posted by Jack-the-lad

I think alloy wheels better suit the later Enzo-era cars, both aesthetically and practically.

+1

This is just My own personal opinion:

The 365 GTC/4 is quite a modern, slightly angular looking car (compared to the cars that came before it), and so the alloys suit it better.
The wires somehow make it look like an older chassis that has had a more modern body put on top.

The 365 GTB/S on the other hand, being slightly more rounded, is probably the last Ferrari than can get away with looking good on either wheel.

At the end of the day though, it's up to the owner as to which they prefer.

(And if they have a set of both, it also depends on which they fancy having on at the time! )

[Jack-the-lad]

Originally Posted by 4rePhill

+1

(And if they have a set of both, it also depends on which they fancy having on at the time! )

My 330GTC was delivered with Borranis, but I restored a set of Campys as its actual road wheels. I think the car looked more "of a piece" with the alloys, and it drove noticeably better as well.

[VIZSLA]

If I remember correctly when Henry Manney advertised his GTO for sale he offered to include the original wire wheels "if the buyer wants even more under steer". Or something to that effect.

[SCantera]

Originally Posted by 4rePhill

+1

This is just My own personal opinion:

The 365 GTC/4 is quite a modern, slightly angular looking car (compared to the cars that came before it), and so the alloys suit it better.
The wires somehow make it look like an older chassis that has had a more modern body put on top.

The 365 GTB/S on the other hand, being slightly more rounded, is probably the last Ferrari than can get away with looking good on either wheel.

At the end of the day though, it's up to the owner as to which they prefer.

(And if they have a set of both, it also depends on which they fancy having on at the time! )

My thinking for the model "cutoff" for Borranis on a vintage Ferrari is the 365 GT [2+2]. To me the Daytona and C/4 with their pop up headlights and more modern styling look better with the star mags. When I acquired my previous C/4 it had both sets of wheels. One of the 1st things I did was pull the wires and mount the mags on the car. I actually sold the near new Borranis w/ XWXs to another C/4 owner that lived 2 blocks away. Normally I don't sell parts, but he begged me to let them go.

I have both sets for my GTC. The wires still take me a minimum of 40 minutes per wheel for a serious clean and polish. Pressure washers can make them clean, but they still require polishing for a show level of shine.

I still think that C/4s and Boxers represent great cars for not too much investment. Finding a good one is the key. We all are well aware of the wallet sucking sound of restorations and/or rebuilding. It's hard to justify the financial requirements of a full restoration for a $100k car. Better spend top dollar for a well sorted example.

[Tassie]

Colour of my car is pine green metallic and I cheated with the Borranis, they are biggest to fit under the guards according to Borrani, 8.5/9.5 from memory.
I think the handling is more dependent on the tyres and pressures but it is not a track car.
Personal preference is the dark colours in the C/4, have thought about painting the front bumper but never done it as it does not stand out too much.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.