nice pics many thanks.
Aside from whether the car in the pictures is 3673SA (I believe it is), the information card next to the car is wrong. The actual car driven to second place in the Nürburgring 1000 kms in May 1962 is 3765SA, NOT 3673SA.
RETIRED "Gentlemen 3673 is not a GTO and never was. Matsuda sold the car to Sybolic around 2001, Viessmann bought 3673 in 2001. After he realised that the car was a 400SA and not a GTO, he put the car back to the sellers in the USA. The car was resold to an American. The car was never a GTO. Just a SA with a swb body from new. This is verified by Ferrari factory. end of story Why do we still refer to this car as a GTO. Let us remove this car from the charts once and for all" Well the story of this car is not really simple like that. in reality there two hypotheses concerning this car. the first (and may be the most sur) the first apparence of this car in body GTO was in 1962 27 of mai for the only race 1000km nurburgring 1 in category 2 all finished number of race #120. drive by Mairesse/m.Parkes. after this race the car was distroyed in accident near to Bologna by Mairesse. The car was sold to a customer and he decided to rebuilded (assistenza Tecnica di Modena). the second hypothese was this car 3673SA was never build in GTO body. but directly with 250 GT passo corto (swb) inside this car was the motor of 400 SA delivered in november 62. in this case which was the car driven the Nurburgring, 3765LM???? probably? Gaetano Florini (ex director assistenza Tecnica di Modena) said that the car who was driven the Nurburgring was 3673SA and concerning the 3765 LM was made in first like a 250 GT SWB. which hypothese is good ? probably the first because the bodies have some differencies. the most incredible are the lights... the car #120 Nurburgring 3673SA have the lights in front the car, and when you take the pic of 3765LM build for Le Mans (one month later Nurburgring) this car have the lights on sides body...Why ? nodoby can give a reply. first version 330 GTO. sn 3673SA. now i m agree with you Dr. Martin Viessmann, Korbach (D) don t made the deal with Matsuda in 2002 so the car still in Japan collection.
3765SA is owned by James Jaeger (co-founder of Escort radar detecters) of Cincinnati, Ohio. http://ohioconcours.com/h98f.htm
QUOTE the second hypothese was this car 3673SA was never build in GTO body. but directly with 250 GT passo corto (swb) inside this car was the motor of 400 SA delivered in november 62. in this case which was the car driven the Nurburgring, 3765LM???? probably This is correct. I have inspected the "original order form" and all the construction documents "at Ferrari office's". The car was ordered new as a "400SA with special body" It was manufactured and delivered as such. It was never a GTO. If you inspect the original build sheets on this car (and I am sure you have) You will note that there is not one GTO part on the car. The engine is a stock street version of a 400SA.and all other componets are 400SA. I inspected this car in 1977 when owned by Steve Halprin and it was a straight 400SA. Having said that, I realise the problem with the N-ring car and the LM car 3765. The front of the cars are different. Maybe your crash in Italy is correct and the nose was replaced before LM. (very short time to do this work but not impossible???) We are still working on this. Dr Martin V actually took delivery of the car in Germany for a short time, than sent the car back to sales people in the USA. car was resold here. Matsuda did not take car back. Regards
I don't know much about the SWB there, here's a better picture of it though: http://www.switchcars.com/forum/photos/switchcars_photos/images/391/original.aspx
That's the same car as pictures in my post #20! Same registration too. At first I had information that this was indeed a rebody on chassis 4639 but later this was corrected by several historians as being 3673 with SWB body. Sooo...what's correct? Ciao, Peter
Peter, your 1997's pics and the 2005 SWB pics show indeed 4639GT. 4639GT is supposed having the original SWB body of 3673SA since late 80's. But, when I see the pics, something is wrong in the proportions : this SWB body makes me thinking to a replica body (in particular the rear seems wrong). So, I think the real question is : if the SWB body of 4639GT really comes from 3673SA, is this body really ORIGINAL (real 1962 Scaglietti body) ???
Hello, For me is the first hypothese until someone give me the raison why Ferrari use the symbol LM for sn3765LM and why they put the small indicator lights directly under the headlights, the Le Mans GTO indicator lights alongside. Why should Ferrari have changed the position of the indicator lights in one month on one and the same car ??? no body could confirm today. Concerning the accident in Modena 3673sa it was not necessary to change the front car, the car was cut in two parts... Well, i m not a Ferrari historian. Like you i would like to understand this story but today I have only this elements for make my decision. so it was a great pleasure to read your comments. If you find something in your research please let me know Best regards Christian
I have somewhere (book, magazine ??) a detailed story of a factory GTO crashed in test by a pilot (can't remember who was he), just after a tunnel (can't remember where). As I have never heard any other story of a crashed GTO in test, I wonder if this GTO was not 3765LM ?? It can't explain the work on the nose. I'm searching again........
so if both these 250s in the collection have a questionable history, what's that story on his Daytona Spider? http://www.switchcars.com/forum/photos/switchcars_photos/images/386/original.aspx
thats the upstairs of a porsche dealer. looks like its new to the collection. more pics here: http://www.auto-palace.com/News/News.htm and also heres a few others attached. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
switchcars, i hope you don't mind, i did a little digging and found these: http://www.switchcars.com/forum/photos/switchcars_photos/images/385/original.aspx http://www.switchcars.com/forum/photos/switchcars_photos/images/382/original.aspx Those were the first 2 that came up. Do you think you could give us a link to the rest?
If you have the yearning to see 250 GTO's go to the next Monterey Historic Races. When I went two years ago there were three of them and all of them were racing flat out, no garage queens here. The sound of these cars was amazing. I am going again this year to get my fix. Make sure to get a pit pass and see them up close.
