Another 12c vs 458 head to head test

Seriously!!!!!,it was a suppy issue from a company in Japan due to unforseen circumstances,im quite happy with a map considering what they have had to go through.And i am happy to wait for a solution from an American company

 

Ok, epic showdown CGT vs 458 vs 12C

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/performance_car_of_the_year/

458 once again.
Hater resigns himself

 

Too easy... the 458FNE is full of upgraded parts not available to us mortals ;-)

 

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1067541_ron-dennis-addresses-mclaren-mp4-12c-quality-niggles-in-customer-letter

Presumably, every pending customer should be getting a clear explanation.

Perhaps it is all clear now.

 

Ya, in kryptonite forged composite ....

 

And where did the McLaren ultimately place, in the 2011 Autoexpress Performance Car of the Year final list? How many other cars placed above it, besides the 458 ?

This 458 "ringer" excuse is so old, and long-ago abandoned by anyone that's realized how many other cars have beaten the McLaren in performance comparisons (subjective, as well as objective). A lambo convertible comes to mind ...

Wasn't this McLaren supposed to be a "game changer"? Wasn't it supposed to blow the doors off the mid-engine Ferrari(s)?

Why is anyone still even paying attention to it?

 

By the way....I winked at the end because I was kidding! It makes me laugh the old excuse of the ringer!

It seems now they have other excuses over at McLife....It's the journalists fault as they don't understand and don't know how to drive the McLaren!!!

 

yeah, what he said

and the conspiracy ... er um ... magic ... runs so deep, it spills over to other cars that end up placing higher than the McLaren as well !!!

 

That excuse is even LESS plausible.

McLaren spends HOW MUCH MONEY to develop a new car ... including R & D, tooling, manufacturing, testing, distribution, advertising, etc. They're probably smart enough to realize that good reviews in the press are a good thing, for a new car

SO ... the car requires a new driving style, or technique, to bring out its best. Fine.

But McLaren doesn't spend a day or two with a few journalists, to teach them how to drive it ??? Too much expense ?? puhleeez

Oh ... i see ... it takes much, MUCH more time than that to develop the proper skills. Great ... what does that say about potential McLaren customers, and how long it will take them to "learn" all about its supposed wonderfulness?

They've run out of excuses. This car is a FAIL. End of story.

 

Oh common. The Mp4-12 may not be perfect but the tech + concept is unbelievable for the $$. Ferrari is building cars for 40 some years now yet new 458 still caught fire(burned to the ground I may add), has transmissions blowing up(numerous owners now), brakes failing etc. I highly doubt the MP4 is a failure.

 

Sure, and I agree with many of your points. It is very disheartening to hear McLaren's long list of promises and claims prove not so true. However Some on here are clearly over glorifying Ferrari at the same time without pointing to real world customer issues. The 458 has Chinese owned suspension tech shared with the likes of Camaro's and Corvettes(magneride), German Getrag gearbox found in junker M3's and a very outdated Aluminum chassis. The entire 458 experience comes purely from its amazing motor. I just wish McLaren built a proper NA motor(or even outsourced to Mercedes like the Zonda did) instead of concentrating on pathetic environmental stats.

 

This is what it's leaving behind:

"
That bit that falls off is the sacrificial rubber moulding of the splitter, one each side. yes,ive done that,but on a grassy knoll!!,its the rubber air deflector infront of the front wheel,easy to put back on with 2 screws and a bolt,i think people will be loosing alot ot these,hence the price £28,but not lost one on a speed bump as they are only a few inches from the front of the wheel so the angle has to be just wrong to take them off
"
No comment needed I think as McFans seem happy to loose pieces of the car...

 

In this week's Autocar group test for 'Best Driver's Car' the McLaren could only manage 6th out of 11, despite easily posting the fastest lap (a lap which they reckoned would have been even further ahead on a more favourable circuit). And most concerning is that no judge placed it higher than 5th, with one judge ranking it two places behind a Vauxhall Corsa. And if you've ever driven a Corsa you'll know how embarrassing that is.

In the final reckoning the cars that beat the McLaren were, in order from top down: The Porsche Cayman R, Caterham Seven Supersoprt (a mere £20,000 of car!), Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Porsche 911 GT3 RS (which was described as a pretty poor example of that particular model) and Lotus Evora S. More worrying for McLaren, though, is how undistinguished a group of cars the MP4 did manage to beat: The Renault Megane 265 Trophy, BMW 1-Series M Coupe, Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring, Jaguar XKR-S and Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG. All decent enough cars in their own right, but it's almost a given that the McLaren should beat this group. So the question has to be asked, where would the McLaren have placed had some of this latter group been substituted with something more equitable? Say the Noble M600. Now the McLaren almost certainly places 7th out of 11. And it's a pretty safe bet, on this showing at least, that the McLaren is placing 8th out of 11 if you bring along a Nissan GT-R. And, of course, it's an absolute certainty that the McLaren would be no better than 9th out of 11 if the 458 takes to the track.

Meanwhile, over at EVO they say this of the 458: "After a fast drive in the 458 you feel like you won't sleep for days, or if you do it will be with your eyes wide open. You'd probably go base-jumping to calm down."

You're very, very welcome to you lap times. Enjoy them, they're all you've got.

 

burned to the ground ... kinda like the GT3 McLaren did, at its inaugural race? LOL

with all the mechanical problems the pre-production McLaen's have had (i recall stories of broken suspension pieces, with premature ABS intervention ... or was that a lie?), the future for production cars doesn't look too bright. Remember, you're comparing a few mechanical issues over what, thousands of produced 458's, to a few cherry-picked pre-production McLarens. The stats certainly don't favor the MP4 !!!

This car was supposed to be a game-changer. It was supposed to smoke the mid-engine Ferrari. By all measures ... and by all reviews ... the car has failed to live up to the pre-production hype.

EDIT : 1 out of 3 GT3 McLarens burned to the ground in its inaugural race. How many production 458's caught fire? Maybe 5 out of 1000? What does that tell us?

 

you just don't get it. That Vauxhall Corsa ... the one that beat the MP4-12C ... was a ringer, no doubt part of the vast Ferrari conspiracy !!!!!

 

Without a doubt. And don't forget, Ron can show you a spread sheet that proves the MP4 is the best car in the world.

 

sport auto german test today, 12c score 70/70
ring time of 7.28:00. second best time after the gumpert which was 4 seconds faster,
458 was 7.37.80,this was the first independant test,as you know factory tests can be 10 to 15 seconds quicker as HVS is more of an 911 expert
seems the car appeals to the germanic nature

DeppiO,glass houses,it was my mistake,and thankfull it was only £28

 

the car appeals to people that measure goodness of a car with a stopwatch.

this is the same as those that think that Android is 'better' than an iPhone because it has more 'features' or a processor with more GHz. That's all that needs to be said.

PROTIP: you don't live on the nurburgring.

 

Lol!

 

No i dont live at the ring,but do you live with Calitalia?and if there were not these comparisons we might as all well be cruising down the boulavard saying hey look at me!
Or polishing it on the drive.surely it makes each brand strive to be better.

 

I hope they bring a Macca GT 3 to the Ring Next weekend.

We're but a small private team but we will try our best to leave
them behind.