The Enzo reimagined.... Jim's Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina - Page 248

henk4 · #**4941** 07-02-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michiel Mobiel

Thanks, but I don't agree.

I can agree with that...and if I were you I would not be bothered too much if my name was not mentioned in connection to that em...car

**Michiel Mobiel** · #**4942** 07-02-2008, 02:30 PM

Now back on topic please.

sclark · #**4943** 07-02-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gothemi8

Why do PF and I guess Spyker from what you said, do this?

Because in today's ultracompetitive environment, nobody wants to lose their primo talent. If everyone knows Designer X designed 1, 2, and 3 and they're all well-recieved and ultra-hot on the show circuit, other companies will try to hire him away. Keep the designer anonymous (or as anonymous as possible) and it's less of an threat.

**Michiel Mobiel** · #**4944** 07-02-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sclark

Keep the designer anonymous (or as anonymous as possible) and it's less of an threat.

At the same time that's exactly one of the reasons why designers leave any company on their own initiative...

SonomaRik · #**4945** 07-02-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Michiel Mobiel

At the same time that's exactly one of the reasons why designers leave any company on their own initiative...

Isn't it more a question of who now owns the copyright? PF own all intellectual material from their company, thus.

modena1_2003 · #**4946** 07-02-2008, 04:21 PM

Sooooo the P4/5 then! Any thoughts?

_J

SonomaRik · #**4947** 07-02-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by modena1_2003

Sooooo the P4/5 then! Any thoughts?

_J

sorry about that

on the P4/5 : other than cosmetics, or things he personally would like to 'fix' [nice cup holder etc.] there isn't much to improve upon.

Changing the mechanics does not seem to be an option. Guess the cromatic changing engine cover might be too far fetched, and gain zero.

PS: Seems after reading as much of this thread which is a huge enjoyment in every way, that although the story goes on, It might just be more fun to do another one-off. That California in my opinion needs, some, well PF fixin looking at the hind qtrs fwd.
~ok, sorry again, almost hijacked the thread, again.../ rik

modena1_2003 · #**4948** 07-02-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SonomaRik

Guess the cromatic changing engine cover might be too far fetched, and gain zero.

Yeah, that would really do absolutely nothing at all... lol

_J

**tx246** · #**4949** 07-02-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

Jason at work.

http://www.youtube.com/user/napolisjmg

jim,

what type of watch are you wearing in this video? sorry to get off topic, but it looks like an old bubbleback

**Napolis** · #**4950** 07-02-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wspeer

jim,

what type of watch are you wearing in this video? sorry to get off topic, but it looks like an old bubbleback

1922 Rolex serial # 645.

buster bram · #**4951** 07-04-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

1922 Rolex serial # 645.

Once a collector always a collector bet you never thought you would get asked that

Sean

**Ryan S.** · #**4952** 07-04-2008, 05:11 PM

dissapointed to see that the car was not in evo & octane's big 60 years of ferrari issue. It was a nicely done issue, the car would have fit into it well.

2MCHPWR · #**4953** 07-04-2008, 09:18 PM

beautiful car.
how much power does it make at the wheels? and how much does it weigh?

**Napolis** · #**4954** 07-04-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S.

dissapointed to see that the car was not in evo & octane's big 60 years of ferrari issue. It was a nicely done issue, the car would have fit into it well.

It was in Top Gears.

**Napolis** · #**4955** 07-04-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MCHPWR

beautiful car.
how much power does it make at the wheels? and how much does it weigh?

Standard Enzo engine/gear box.

About 2650 lbs.

**bigodino** · #**4956** 07-05-2008, 08:19 AM

Hello Jim,

In the latest issue of Top Gear magazine it says that Ken Okuyama presided over the design of the P4/5. Is this correct?

Best, Peter

**Napolis** · #**4957** 07-05-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bigodino

Hello Jim,

In the latest issue of Top Gear magazine it says that Ken Okuyama presided over the design of the P4/5. Is this correct?

Best, Peter

Ken was Head of Design for PF at the time and he did show up occasionally. The main designer was Jason. Paolo ran the Special Projects Team. Andrea was involved as well as were MANY talented people from the large Special Projects Team who shaped P 4/5 including a very talented engineering team. Sal had a LOT of input and I made final decisions. Ferrari was involved in her final name and some final details.

Success has a lot of fathers (and Mothers) while failure is an orphan...

**Texas Forever** · #**4958** 07-05-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

About 2650 lbs.

Jim, your car broke the rules in a lot of ways. But, to me, the most important is that you built a super car that weighs under 2,700 pounds. It seems that so few people realize how important weight is in a performance car. To put this in perspective, my new Miata weighs about 2,500 pounds, but it has only 179 HP. While my Miata is a hoot to drive, I can only imagine what 2,650 pounds, 600 HP, and big fat tires must be like.

To use another example, a stock 599 is about 1,000 pounds heavier than your car.

I hope Ferrari is paying attention because if they are going to sell a super car for over $1 million USD, they better make sure that it really is a super car.

Dale

**Napolis** · #**4959** 07-05-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Who

Jim, your car broke the rules in a lot of ways. But, to me, the most important is that you built a super car that weighs under 2,700 pounds. It seems that so few people realize how important weight is in a performance car. To put this in perspective, my new Miata weighs about 2,500 pounds, but it has only 179 HP. While my Miata is a hoot to drive, I can only imagine what 2,650 pounds, 600 HP, and big fat tires must be like.

To use another example, a stock 599 is about 1,000 pounds heavier than your car.

I hope Ferrari is paying attention because if they are going to sell a super car for over $1 million USD, they better make sure that it really is a super car.

Dale

The strange thing to me is that some of these cars are really not as easy to drive on the street as they should be. The most important thing we did was to shorten the front over hang and make it possible to drive on the street without scraping the nose when you enter a driveway of encounter a speed bump.

Best

**Texas Forever** · #**4960** 07-05-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolis

The strange thing to me is that some of these cars are really not as easy to drive on the street as they should be. The most important thing we did was to shorten the front over hang and make it possible to drive on the street without scraping the nose when you enter a driveway of encounter a speed bump.

Best

Tru Dat. I have to be very careful pulling my 2006 C55 out of my driveway otherwise it will scrape the front splitter, (again, because my wife drives this car, it already looks like a refugee). My 2008 Miata? No problem.

Just curious, though. I thought that front splitters and overhangs were necessary to keep a car from lifting at 160+ mph speeds. Did your aerodymanic studies disprove this theory?

Dale