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(Yet another) 308GTS won't start

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  1. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Dec 14, 2003
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    Now it's my turn to suffer....

    My 308 died on me while attending the Ottawa Exotic Car show. Here's the scenario:

    When I turn the ignition key, the car cranks, but no current is going to the fuel pump and accessories (window lifts, flashers, wipers); and the battery light does not go on. I tested the battery and it's fine.

    Any hints?

    Thanks
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes -- those are the classic symptoms for the "bad connections in the rivet bars on the back of the fuse box" syndrome. The power to run everything on fuses #1, 2, and 3 comes in the single A (azure = light blue) wire attached to the top of fuse #2. The G (yellow) wire leaving the top of fuse #1 goes to run the ignition system and the GN (yellow/black) wire on top of fuse #3 goes to one side of the alternator warning light bulb:

    If the A wire goes +12V (relative to ground) with the key "on" -- you need to restore/add/replace a good (high-current capable) electrical connection between the top terminals of fuses #1, 2, and 3.

    If the A wire doesn't go +12V (relative to ground) with the key "on" -- you'd be looking upstream at the ignition switch, the 4-way power distribution block, and their connections.

    I got my "opportunity" to get to know this area after installing a higher amperage ignition system (which increased the current flowing into the azure wire on top of fuse #2 and out the yellow wire on top of fuse #1 and melted the whole upper left corner of the fuse box), but, even stock, the rivet connections get flaky with time.
     
  3. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Steve, thanks a million!!!!!

    Therefore, would replacing the fuse panel solve my problem?
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Bernie -- Please reread my earlier post (I added some edits to answer your question).
     
  5. Doug

    Doug Formula 3

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    Get Birdman's replacements. They are a bolt in replacement with more modern fuses. When you pull your old ones, you will be surprised how cracked up they are on the backside.
     
  6. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Steve, I just checked the terminal on the top of fuse no.2, and the plastic is indeed melted.

    I'm wondering if hot weather, hard driving, heavy-traffic-city driving, would have an impact on the electrical system.
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes, all of those plus "time" (i.e., exposure to the moisture/pollutants/O2 in the atmosphere). The problem is that once a riveted connection developes even a slight resistance (like only 0.1 ohm) the I^2*R self-heating is huge because the current is so large -- this softens the plastic, which "loosens" the connection more, increasing the resistance further and raising the self-heating more, in a vicious cycle to destruction.
     
  8. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    #8 bernardo66, Jun 5, 2005
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    Steve, I don't know how to thank you. You've been informative, helfpul and enlightening.

    Cheers!

    Bernie

    PS Aa a sign of my gratitude, please accept this humble avatar. ;)
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  9. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Glad to pass on some past 308 experience I can still remember -- let us know how it works out...
     
  10. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Just a few words to tell you folks that my 308 is up and running. Indeed the white fuse box was at fault.

    Steve (and the rest of you on F-Chat), thanks for all your help.

    Thanks go out to Helder Valente at Gentry Lane in Toronto for being quick and efficient..and of course for having the part readily available at a reasonable price.

    shameless plug: http://www.gentrylane.com/serv_1.htm
     
  11. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Glad you got it sorted out Bernie -- but based on your description of all the other electrical systems that also weren't working at the same time there wasn't much chance of it being anything else.
     

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