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yes , this is why i have harping for years about the carb cars. the early 80's computer cars, of any manufacturer are junk now. not collected, not restored, not sought after. some exeptions exsist in the exotic car community, but it will ring the same in the future. i could pool my assets and get a newer Ferrari, Lambo ect, but i would rather be cool like Judge4re one day and have the whole damn mid 70's collection going !

i seriously doubt that the EGEAR and gee-whizz crap in these newer cars will hold up to 25 years of use like the old cars have. who the heck is going to buy and pay to repair all this computer crap in these new supercars? not me. aircraft are given a life span not by airframe strength, but how long thier Avionics will be reliable and safe enough to fly. plently of perfectly good aircraft get scrapped because NOBODY can or will fix them. the computer cars WILL go the same way. anyone notice how there are SO MANY more of the computer cars bieng made, compared to the older versions that were simpler to work on? and how many of the old cars are there? too many of these modern cars bing made to keep these high prices up. supply and demand will find a balance . watch and see.


long live carbs

 

Next time your modern F-car has you stuck on the side of the road call
me and I'll haul it to the "land fill".

If there is a need the market will always fill the need. Most ppl can't write off an
new f-car like you can a plane.

Belt cars will be the cash cow of dealers service depts for decades to come with
all the new cars being chain driven. They will find a way to interface with old
ecu's, might cost more thought.

 

Technology is like an axe in the hands of a mass murder -- (i forget who said this)

Computer chips/systems get outdated and finding parts can be nearly impossible, have heard that Ferrari has been desperate to find OLD laptop computers to help start old F1 cars. The more complicated the system, the harder it may be to use emulation software to replace it. As for the hardware itself... Good luck! Try getting a simple audio amplifier output device to fix a 10 year old receiver. If proprietary parts were used in the new consumer Ferrari cars... grab your ankles guys and don't expect lubricant once those parts are gone.

Old Fcars... parts can easily be found/replaced/fabricated.

 

I suppose the modern cars will look something like this 20-30 years down the road..

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134970626&postcount=43

In all honesty, it won't be that bad since most of the technology isn't "in your face", it's generally pretty seamless and hidden away from view.

There may be a whole cottage industry that springs up to take advantage of upgrading these systems, and I'm sure there will be a whole sub-group of collectors that will search out and revel in the fact that their cars are equipped with the original transmission programs, not unlike clock tags & tool kits today.

-Chris
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I agree with these thoughts. I also think that with kids growing up on computers these days, it won't be as big a deal to them to learn how to program EPROMS or whatever... and there will be someone out there who will build a software emulator that will emulate the interfaces of all the "authorized dealer" computers, whatever those are called.

In 20 years, Harbor Freight or the equivalent will be selling CNC machines and silicon chip manufacturing equipment for a few hundred dollars.

 

as EnjoyTheMusic said, the proprietary nature of the software, and the fact that Ferrari as a company prides itself on NOT doing things for the customer will make any aftermarket near impossible. they wont release key diagnostic tools, at any price to anyone but thier most prized dealers and "special" service techs. they will not help with codes, bin files or new improved downloads for older systems with known problems. why would they make it leagal and easy for ANY aftermarket to use thier proprietary data? they will not. also the guy/company that actually wrote the software, or owns the rights to it, may only allow "FERRARi" to use it a certain way, and will thus ensure no aftermarket, no support in 15 years, until the LAWYERS get involved. step back and think about how many different companies and or people have hidden Rights, Patents ect, in just ONE newer car. Ferrari as a Company may not be the problem as a whole, its all the small vendors, inventors and patent / copyright holders you will have to appease to start screwing with "THIER" computers, Software and Hardware.

i am legally bound not to disclose certain specifics as it pertains to modern aircraft, but i do see certain parallels in the automotive fields that will make it harder to play with the new stuff in the future. just becasue you can screw around with old OBDI -II cars , doesnt mean the Companies or THE GOVERNMENT will allow you to modify them in the future. i bet that laws will be passed that are stricter than those on current emissions related equipment. the black boxes that are there because the Government put them there, are not going to go away "THAT" easy.

 

These computerized cars are basicly throw away vehicals. Once they have expired there warrenties, they are pretty much worthless. Nobody is going to be buying a 2004 745il BMW in 6 years. These cars will be basicly worthless scrap. I have seen warrenty bills for these cars hit over 20k in repairs. Do you honestly think a guy, who buys the car 6 years later for 20k is going to dump another 20 into if to fix it a year later, and then it will only be worth 7k?

It really does not matter what the car is. Just look at the C4 vette. When it came out in 84 it was an awsome machine..it was the first production car to hit 1g on the skidpad. It had all the wizz bang electronics, the wow factor was huge for its time. All alummium suspension parts (a first for any production car) front transverse leaf spring, full adjustable front the rear suspensions, one of the widest sets of tires on any production car at that time..a really innovative car for 1984. Now noboby wants the dumb things..why? mostly becasue they are expensive to fix electronicly. The car itself is cheap, but the electronic parts have pretty much remained very high priced for what you would pay for the car now.

With Ferrari focusing on F1 trany's and electronic diffs, etc these cars will be cheap to buy, but very expensive to fix, regardless of how old they get. This will have a direct inpact on resale. I'll bet in 10 years the older, simpler Ferrari's will surpass the 355's, 360 etc in price. Only because guys like me Carreaper and others will push the demand up for them..and there are a ton of folks out there like us.

 

Unless the laws of physics and economics change, I don't see how there will be any crisis.

Consider this:

-Today's cars don't run on magic pixie dust. They are designed by humans. They adhere to the laws of physics.
-There will always be people who desire to relive their youth by driving the cars they dreamt about as children, and who will wish to keep them running. This will create a demand for parts and experienced techs.

So it will cost more to keep it running than to maintainin your daily driver. What else is new?

 

There's room for both. Check out Napolis' Deusenberg if you don't think a forward-thinking, complicated car can still be desirable in the future.

IMHO, the 288 and Enzo will lead the pack in value; the F40 is ultimately the more interesting car of the two but production numbers will limit it from being really 'exclusive' in price. The F50 may sneak into the exclusive/expensive category by accident; I don't think that the design of this car will hold up over time, but an open-top-V12-6-speed-low-tech Ferrari may be pretty interesting 20 years from now (regardless of looks).

I'm with FD, the electronics on today's cars are going to be kids play in the future. I predict that we'll see a concours car 30 years from now playing out it's entire visual history on that little LCD screen in the dash with a full range of engine and transmission programming options to compliment it's original software.

-Chris

 

Assuming the worst, and these Ferrari's can no longer run as they once did. They'd make great 1:1 models to have around.

 

HARD!!! "Technology is extremely expensive when it first comes out and extremely worthless when the new technology comes along".... This true in every industry.

 

The people tinkering with cars in 20-30 years times will just have less spanners and more computer bits and bobs in their tool kits.

Just 'cos it doesn't flick your switch doesn't mean there isn't a whole generation of people who will still like to tinker with cars but who aren't affraid of a SCSI or scart socket or two. The times change, not all of us can keep up. There are still people who have trouble with the new fangled electric telephone

 

All the boards and chipsets are propreitary in these cars, no way you can crack the code in a eprom chipset to replace it with something new and modern at the time, you'll have one choice a Ferrari parts reseller or parts car with pricing to match, not to mention all the miles of poorly executed wiring in these cars you'll need a Phd in electronics and lots of time to diagnose problems combined with the stress failures of aluminum chassis and bits, these cars are disposeable, its not a simple project like restoring older cars.

 

Yes..i agree completely.

Lets put it into a perspective..Try and find parts for a Commador 64 computer, or an old Atari video game system..really high tech stuff back then..millions of them made. Where are they now? Try getting a dash for a mid eighties Vette, try buying just the silly Marelli ignition box for the 308s..how about a Dinoplex box...or an ignition box for a 930 turbo..all simple stuff..lots made..but none around..how about a 2 valve ignition rotor for an injected 308..or a distributor cap? Not alavilable anymore.

See where I'm heading..Ferrari is too samll of a company to have stock piles of components for their older cars. Once the production run for a car is done, they may keep producing spares for 15 to 20 years..then thats it. During that time they slowly remove items from production.

These cars are the commador 64s of the future.

 

ditto here again carreaper! If I want to buy a computer, I will buy one. If I want to buy a car, I expect a car.
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Before or after Carbon eats it??

 

Some of you F Chatters must have owned Porsches over the years, look at the difference in maintainence. A 30,000 mile belt change service on a 550 Maranello in a dealership runs $7-8000.oo and they usually find something else wrong that runs the bill up to $10-12,000.00. This results in a lot of the cars sadly not being driven very much.
Contrast that with a Porsche 911 or Turbo where the cost is 10-15% of that, and you see a lot more people putting a lot more miles on Porsches. And being a larger manufacturer virtually every part is available from the factory or some one.
Granted nothing has the Ferrari soul and the older cars have the valve noise and rattling chains and non tubi exhaust that brings goose bumps to us all, but is the designed in maintainence requirement something to keep the dealers service departments healthy particularily on the new cars. How long did you leave your car for service the last time. If you ever take a look at F of BH's or Auto Gallery's service parking lot its large and its jammed.