F2005's issues

Yep I agree ... but it is great for the sport and actually Ferrari, 'cause nothing like a kick up the arse to either create change or motivate the complacent team.

Pete

 

I think the rules changes have more to do with Ferrari's slow start than the characteristics of the cars and tires. I think that if the rules had been unchanged from last year, the F2004 would still have been competitive even with the new Renault and Toyota--not dominant, like last year, but at least competitive.

Ferrari has on a number of occasions raced the old car in the "pre-European" races early in the season. For instance, they did it in both 1975 and 1976, and still won the constructor's titles both years. And Lotus did it in Mario Andretti's world championship year of 1978.

 

Yes BUT (and this is what everybody seems to ignore) everybody else had to redesign to the SAME rules.

Renault simply did the job, Ferrari/Bridgestone didn't get it quite right ... yep Ferrari made a mistake. It is healthy to accept that they are a team made of humanbeings, etc.

Yes if the rules had not changed the F2004m would have been a good season starter ... but Ferrari knew the rules had changed and under estimated the opposition and again made a mistake!

Facing your mistakes is the first step in the improvement trail ... blaming something else is called denial, and leads to further failure. Hopefully Ferrari management have got passed moaning about the rule changes ... it might take years for the members of this site, but heck they have a WC to win
Pete

 

Agree.
Still think that it is the tyre rule and that half the blame should be on Bridgestone......
I mean, RB had the pace at the start of all races....

Pete. another boring day at work to talk about F1 all day ay?? Me too!

 

Where can i buy those rose tinted glasses of yours??

Seriously, im a Williams supporter this year. Im personally going for "our boy Mark"....

But seriously, Ferrari supporting is so "fad" these days, id rather go for Minardi. I love the team, but every man and his dog go for Ferrari. Dont you guys support the underdog?

(Said in half jest/seriousness)

 

Here's a potentially ignorant question (so take it easy on me), but....

What would it cost to ditch Bridgestone? I know the F2005 has gearbox and other gremlins, but it seems to me that Michelin is light years ahead of Bridgestone. Why does Ferrari have to pay the price for Bridgestone's comparative lack of testing? Or are they contractually joined at the hip?

 

Morning Mike,

And this is all the proof I need that F1 boringness has been resolved

Pete

 

What tyres does the new F430 run on? ... there is your answer, thus a big deal!

EDIT: It appears that I might be wrong, as a F430 in the F430 thread looks like it is on Goodyear Eagles???? ... I always thought that since the Bridgestone F1 days Ferrari road cars ran on Bridgestones ???? Anybody know more than I about this?

Pete

 

Has anyone noticed the apparent pace of RB's car at the start of races, or is everyone blind??

Lucky for me, work is really slow, so im taking the advantage while i can. Is there any F1 watching parties in Sydney that we all gather every 2 weeks and watch it together, with like minded people who actually understand that implication of some of the actions in a race, and can discuss the tech aspects? Id love that.

My wife goes for Renault for the sole reason that they look "pretty", so she says. Not because they are winning, yeah right!!

 

Okay okay, i can appreciate it if you suported them since young, a true tifosi. But when i was down in Melb, people were buying the merchandise just because it was "Ferrari". And "Ferrari" were the team to beat. No other reason. No passion. No understanding.....It sucked.

I think once the Grove boys sort out their downforce, you better watch out! There's my underdog!

 

Bound to be ...

First question:
1. Do you have young kids? ... don't want to wake them .
2. How big is your TV?
3. Location? ... I'm in Castle Hill ... or should we be thinking about a pub?

Pete

 

1. Hell no!
2. As big as you want it...projector baby!
3. Lugarno! But i can travel! Maybe we should get some boys and all meet at leichardt of something!

 

Well well where do I start... There have been rules changes every year for the last 5 years. All of various types, messed with quali etc.. all in an effort to "create" better racing or shall I say to slow Ferrari down.. (ie. the sport is suffering because of lack of attendance etc etc because of Ferrari's domination, team tactics, Michael's contractual number 1 status, it goes on and on) Well, I believe for six years 4 of the major teams failed to build a car to even come close to being competitive with Ferrari. Well, they finally threw enough major changes at the sport/cars to start everyone from a clean slate. There is NO doubt that Ferrari was deeply entrenched in all of their systems and structure and IMHO would have continued it's dominance. Now that Renault has indeed created a very fast and reliable car and has done a very good job I think Ferrari maybe got caught on their backfoot. But, is the "racing" any better? No. we just have a different team winning at this point. Bear in mind F1 is the only sport where the ruler (Bernie) takes over 60% of the sports take. There is no other motosport where that is the case. The sport is currently messed up and not getting better just because a different team is winning. Lastly, to the person who is embarrassed because too many new people are Ferrari fans I ask, these are the people who are supporting the sport correct? Ferrari gives more and has given more to the sport than any team by far and deserve their place in the sport-

 

I bet a pub there would have it all set up ... ... I'd have to watch my mouth there though, as they would make Imperial look like he was a Minardi supporter

Pete

 

Have you seen them when Ferrari wins the WCC? Amazing!

All in all my F1 loving friends, just wait to at LEAST San Marino to get some indication of Ferrari's speed.

If anything you guys should be worried about is BAR. What a $hitheap they are this year....

 

If they don't win this year it will not be a huge disappointment. It's been a very good run, and I still remember very lean years like 1969, 1973 and 1980.

In 1969 they scored all of 7 points all season and finished last.
In 1973 they scored 12 points all season.
In 1980 they scored 8 points all season.

I'll never forget Jody Scheckter's last race at Watkins Glen in 1980: starting 22nd (!) out of 24 cars, trundling around near the back all day, and finishing 11th and last, never having passed anyone. And this in a Ferrari with number "1" on the cowl! (And the week before in Montreal, he didn't even qualify!)

It may be hard for younger people to realize Ferrari was ever that bad, but they have been, quite frequently!

 

I don't know about the 430, but the 360 came with four different tires - Michelin Pilot Sport, Pirelli PZero, Bridgestone S-02A, and some Goodyear supercar tire, which is rumored to be the best of all but very rarely seen.

Gary

 

You guys have not even seen the tip of the iceberg.

As for the F2005... s*** happens!

 

Speaking of: I was wondering how you guys felt after Bahrain?

And yes I'm asking this with a malicious intent. The Quick Nick vs your boy battle is half the fun this year.

 

Myself i feel that the F2005 is the answer to the competition. MS proved it until the Hyd. Pump failed on him. In fact i had read that the pump is the same one from the F2004 so his failure was a freak failure. rubens pace was quite fast at the start his problem was he burnt up the tires to quickly in the begining and paid the price.

With 3 weeks off Ferrari will have the chance to build more F2005's test new parts and get more performance out of this new design. If you take a look at how much testing MS and RB did in the F2005 compaired to the other teams with there new cars before that cars race debut. Ferrari did one hell of a job last weekend and unfortunatly did not get any reward for its hard work.

Ferrari will be back with a vengence shortly.

Rob

 

Relax guys don't worry about Ferrari will once again take the championship this year......just sit back and enjoy the drama and excitement that Bernie and Ferrari have planed for you all.

6 years of dominance and then all of a sudden splat hmmmmm......