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How difficult is it to find a 1995 355B built with factory manual steering ?

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  1. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Anyone know of these ? - Not a modification. A U.S. car that is built with the manual steering.


    Anybody know of a good collector grade low-mile one forsale ?


    I would prefer a 1995 B.
     
  2. spaghetti_jet

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    forgive me for asking, but I really curious... Why do you want a manual steering car ?
     
  3. 348SStb

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    I am also curious.

    I have heard that 355s could be special-ordered from the factory without power steering.

    (Any model year 355 without power steering would be interesting to me :))
     
  4. ralfabco

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    Manual steering is really effective, when you begin to reach the triple digit speeds around turns. The effort of driving a car with manual steering in the parking lot, does not bother me at all. Drive a vehicle with manual steering around the quick turns, and you may desire the car with this type of set up.
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    Power was the only thing offered in the US. The manual steering cars in other markets have a slower steering ratio. They also have a very different front end set up so that you can drive it. That set up is not designed for good handling. Also all Challenge cars had power steering and they never complained about feel at high speed. Have you ever driven a 355 fast? Maybe you should. Oddly enough Ferrari seems to know what they are doing.
     
  6. 348SStb

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    Brian,

    You're like an encyclopedia! :D

    But I mean, would these manual steering 355s be "worse" to drive than, say, a 348?

    It seems to me that a 355 would feel just fine with manual steering. I mean, the 355 is the same size and weight as the 348 (if not lighter), right? So wouldn't the handling and feel be comparable to, if not better than, the handling and feel of the 348? It doesn't seem to me that Ferrari would use an inferior design (inferior to the 348 steering setup) when they set up the manual steering 355s. What do you think about what I'm saying?
     
  7. ralfabco

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    No I have never driven a 355B. I was not taking a shot at the 355B. I am sure they handle fine. However alot of 360s have been crashed when drivers lost the feeling/communication with the wheels, while they took the turns at hi speed. - That is why there are some banged up 360s inside body shops.
    I also really like the feel of manual steering. - I am not alone in this view. Are you sure they are not just trying to refine the car even more, and make it easy for old men to drive? This is CERTAINLY the trend for all manufacturers.

    A knowledgeable enthusiast told me that you can take the 348 steering device, and exchange it for the 355B power unit. Of course someone else may be able to describe the exact term of what I am talking about ? However I like to keep everything 100% factory (including radio and rock protection) less the exhaust. I do not like hot rods. Keep it stock.





    Has anyone even seen a 1995 355B car in the U.S. with manual steering ? Even a grey market car ?
     
  8. f355spider

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    So 360's are being crashed because of power steering?
     
  9. ralfabco

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    No. Not all cars ! Certainly not. However a man who worked in a RE factory body shop, told me that alot/some/few/a bunch of enthusiasts have lost it when they did not have the communication/feel of the wheels. Perhaps a more experienced driver can handle this better, than the average take it to the track once a year type ? I do not know ? I am not looking for a flame war. I only know what I actually like. I like manual steering. I like the way it feels/communicates. Perhaps it is not for other enthusiasts ?

    Also I did not know that the car was offered just outside the USA with manual steering as an option. It certainly seems odd that they would offer this outside the USA ! Why ? So the USA market lost out on the ability to order the car without P.S. This seems to reinforce my views from other posts, how some USA cars are watered down to some degree. No doubt. You have more sound deadening material, higher ride height, and less power etc....This may not apply to the 355 series of cars. However it does apply to some sports cars that are built for the USA.
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    Those people ran out of talent, not car. Talent is not a requirement for purchase.

    Also, I thought we were talking about 355's?
     
  11. ralfabco

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    We were talking about 355's. We never stopped talking about 355's. I still have not obtained information from the question I asked about 355's. I never said the car (360) ran out of talent. I did bring up the fact about the once a year track type who lost it in the hi speed turns. I was not talking about talented types, who can handle the car and push it.
     
  12. jpl

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    I think what the forum members are trying to tell you is to go and try a 355 at speed first and then decide whether you need manual steering or not. As it is, it is not something you will easily find in a NA 355 if you can find it at all.
     
  13. 348SStb

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    I understand what you are saying, and I also understand what the forum members have been trying to tell the original poster.

    However, the original poster DOES NOT WANT POWER STEERING. Period.

    He likes the feel of non-power steering.

    He knows what power steering is, he knows what it feels like; he knows what it might feel like, and he knows the advantages and disadvantages. We all know this stuff--it's called common sense.

    I also like the feeling of non-power steering. I don't ever think I'll buy a 2-seat Ferrari that has power steering. I like the way non-power steering feels--period. I don't care if the F430 has 490 horsepower or if the next Ferrari has 1,000 horsepower. I don't want power steering in my 2-seat Ferrari.

    I would never buy a 355, since 355s have power steering. But if one of these non-power steering 355s ever popped up, I would be interested.



    So, thus far we know:

    No non-power steering 355s were imported into the United States as US-spec cars. That said,

    Has anyone seen one in the United States?
    Has anyone seen one outside the United States?
    Does anyone know someone who has one?
     
  14. vincent355

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    I read once on F-chat that on the challenge cars some of the drivesrs purposefully let the power fluid level get a low. This helped reduce the amount of power steering. fact or fiction I'm not sure. But I have read it and it was corroborated in the same thread.

    Since these cars are power assisted and not full power it is possible.
     
  15. husky

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    somehow i am a little bit surprise that 355 steering is so light, its even lighter than my 993

    no doubt 355 is a much faster car than the 993, however, i am able to push the 993 much harder i guess party is becos of the response from the steering.....

    having said that i only took delivery of my 355 a week ago, so after i spend more time with it, hopefully i am able to throw it around the corners just like the 993, i guess practice makes perfect!!!!
     
  16. ralfabco

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    EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

    P/S may work for you on the street.
    P/S may work for you on the track.
    P/S may work for you in a semi professional race.

    HEY. I THINK THAT IS GREAT.

    However as a Sunday driver, I love the feel of manual steering. I may be wrong ? But it is what I like. That is why I would love to find a factory original car with manual steering. A grey-market car would also be fine with me. I understood that I could put a 348 manual steering device in the 355. However I do prefer to keep my cars stock - less the offroad exhaust. I am not alone in my desire to have a manual steering factory car. I "guess" nobody has seen or heard of a manual steering 355 inside the USA ? We had our local Houston chapter F club get together this last weekend. We came to the conclusion that the last USA F car with manual steering was the 1995 F512M.
     
  17. Auraraptor

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    I thought the 355's steering was a power variable assist that shuts off after 45 or so miles entirely?
     
  18. Kds

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    I just sold a 1995 355B and took a 1994 348 Spider on trade.....the difference of driving a car without PS is like night and day......sure......you need over developed forearms for parking lots......but the feel of the car is downright delicious !!
     
  19. 4i2fly

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    Throwing it around in the corner is different than doing triple digits through turns. I am not sure about all those 360s that got banged up and are in the shop because the driver couldn't feel the slide at 160 MPH when they should have been at half or third the speed.
     
  20. ralfabco

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    Overdeveloped forearms ? From driving "what" in a parking lot ? Drive a Countach first, then we will talk. Certainly not the white American Z-3 3.0 with the odometer that was rolled back ? LOL.
     
  21. f355spider

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    Ralph,
    Remember that anything changed, can be changed back. So, assuming you could source a left hand drive 355 manual steering rack, you could install this in your USA 355. When you sell, you can swap it back, like nothing happened.

    So, contact Ferrari UK, and see if they can provide you with the rack.

    Dave
     
  22. ralfabco

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    That is a good point. One comment that someone else brought up, there may be other suspension settings that are different ? It may go beyond a few parts ? I am not sure ?


    o/t Anyone know the name of the dealer/broker in Florida that has a large inventory of grey market RE's ? This place always is loaded with grey market cars. It is in FLORIDA.
     

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