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  1. kreiggers

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    #1 kreiggers, Aug 11, 2011
    I saw this this morning outside work but didn't have an opportunity to snap any other pics as there were a dozen plus other cars to ogle... anyway it has Ferrari and Pininfarina badges.. and I have no idea what it is. The scalloped almost corvette-like treatment of the fenders, and what looked like a hatchback arrangement that almost appeared to be tail fins...

    http://instagr.am/p/Jx8-s/
     
  2. Boudewijn

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    #2 Boudewijn, Aug 11, 2011
    This is the well known Ferrari 375 MM PF Berlinetta with S/N 0456AM, also known as the "Bergman Ferrari".
     
  3. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    #3 Sire Bruno de Losckley, Aug 11, 2011
    Roberto Rossellini had commissioned a special body to Pininfarina for his wife Ingrid Bergman. but she never took delivery.
     
  4. El Wayne

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    #4 El Wayne, Aug 11, 2011
    Bruno, this is an odd combination of disinformation on this car that has somehow made its way into several different sources and continues to be passed along.

    In truth, the car was designed by Pinin Farina but not commissioned by Rossellini. Rossellini saw the car for the first time when it was shown at the Paris Salon in 1956. He purchased the car at that time or very soon after. Rossellini was, of course, married to Ingrid Bergman at the time. He took delivery and drove the car for several years, even using it to taxi his children to school.
     
  5. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    #5 Sire Bruno de Losckley, Aug 11, 2011
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    I never heard this version, but if you say, I will believe you. I'll see if I find something about it.


    scuse my bad Inglish


    Je n'ai jamais entendu cette version, mais si tu le dis, je veux bien te croire. Je vais voir si je trouve quelque chose à ce sujet.

    Paris 1954 of course
     
  6. kreiggers

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    #6 kreiggers, Aug 11, 2011
    Thanks!

    This is what I was looking for. Somewhat difficult to search for through Google ;-)
     
  7. italiancars

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    #7 italiancars, Aug 11, 2011
    It is also the car that Ferrari used as the inspiration for the 612.
     
  8. johngtc

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    #8 johngtc, Aug 11, 2011
    And the colour found its way into modern cars as Grigio Ingrid. A lovely soft gold in some lights, almost silver in others.
     
  9. El Wayne

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    #9 El Wayne, Aug 12, 2011
    Find a 2-part article by Pete Vack in Forza Magazine on Rossellini's Ferraris (issues 20 & 21, February & April, 2000). Pete gathered his information from the Rossellini family, including actress Isabella Rossellini (daughter of Rossellini and Ingrid Bergman). He also includes at least one photo of Rossellini with 0456 AM.

    In the articles, Vack quotes family members who state that the car was never intended to be a gift for Bergman. While I can't find a reprint of those articles online, here is a short blurb on this subject by the same author:

    http://www.velocetoday.com/news/news_29.php
     
  10. ggjjr

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    #10 ggjjr, Aug 12, 2011
    I don't know... If you've ever seen the video of her waiting at Rome for him during the MM, (53, I think) she seems to be enjoying herself. If she was so against cars, and racing, I would not think she would have spent the day at the races.

    George
     
  11. olinde

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    #11 olinde, Aug 12, 2011
    "It is also the car that Ferrari used as the inspiration for the 612. "


    Er, how? The 612 is awful - another post-1975 margerine tub on wheels.
     
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  13. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    #13 Sire Bruno de Losckley, Aug 13, 2011
    the first time I saw 612 Scaglietti, I thought of 375 MM 0456
     
  14. GTE

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    #14 GTE, Aug 13, 2011
    Well, pretty obvious no? Just look at the cars.
     
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    #15 carguyjohn350, Aug 13, 2011
    +1
     

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