Does this portion of the board need to be renamed "P4 arguements" ? While I really appreciate Jims efforts and think his car is great.... I for one and really tired of P4 arguement posts being the majority of stuff in the vintage section! My Daytona is still at Bo Pirkles shop. He is supposed to be adjusting the hood fit, adjusting the passengers door fit, touching up some stress cracks in the nose, touching up a few other minor paint blemishes and giving the car a good wet sand and buff. He has had it for 6 weeks so far.... and when I spoke with him yesterday I learned he has actually yet to even start on it. I am at this point pretty dang despondent. Bo is very, very good at what he does. I know he can blend the paint and touch things up so that its impossible to tell any work has ever been done. He is a master. BUT.... I am losing it! 6 freaking weeks without my car and he has done NOTHING! Im at a loss as to what to do. Part of me wants to tell him to shove it and go get my car. Another part wants the work done to perfection, and I dont know of anywhere else that I can trust to do it right. Then again, at the current rate of progress he will still have my car 10 years from now. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Im also facing the prospect of an even bigger interior restoration project. Last winter, I paid an old timer in Florida to redo my seats with some NOS leather seat covers I got when I bought the car. They needed to be re-dyed. He totally botched teh job. The dye was peeling off all over both seats... a terrible job. So, while the car was in the for some paint work I decided to strip and re-dye the seats again myself. I really worked at it. I stripped them back to the base leather. I used leatherique and followed the instructions to the letter. They came out terrible. Horrible. So.... now basically I want new seat covers. If I am going to totally redo the seats, I want them to the cars original interior color which was tan/black. That means I will need new door panels to match and will have to recover the center console. So, I ordered all new stuff from re-originals. My car will soon have a 100% perfect and correct tan/black leather interior. That is if I ever actually get it back from Bo. So, at this point in time I am REALLY jonesing for Daytona! Come on guys and help me out. Post some good Daytona stories. Post some fresh pics. Lets hear some good non-arguementative, non-0846 focused Daytona talk! Terry
Well, Terry, old boy (lifting pinky finger as I take a sip of scotch), we have been having a lively chat in the Rosso section on Daytonas. Oh, (sniff) what's that? You're not a member of the club? Oh sorry about that. I didn't realize that you had been blackballed. Dr "Sitting by the fireside in my smoking jacket" Tax
As much as I admire a Daytona, compared to a P3 or P4 or any P Ferrari it does not rate. Thus I for one am not surprised at the interest in Jim's car. Nothing stopping you posting other stuff, others do ... one of the many examples: Engine for a 62 GTE. Thus get in their and post away mate Pete
Already did Pete. Dont get me wrong, I like reading about Jims car. Its just those threads are 95% junk and finding the 5% of decent stuff is a freaking task. I mean really..... do I NEED to read yet another post from horsefly complaining about unfair double standards for decadent Ferrari elitists? The guy sounds like he has spent far too much time reading Karl Marx! Dr Tax.... Subscribed? rossa what? Where do I go man? Dont lord it over me you cruel beast, point me in the right direction! Terry
Terry The one I really regret letting get away is the Cannonball Daytona. I had a chance but wouldn't pay up (145K). I really wish I had. I also passed on a real comp coupe at 20K but that was a bit futher back. My friend Bob Grossman used to race them. He was also the Maser importer and a good motorsports artist. His original Maser sign now hangs in my shop. He died recently. I still see his daughter at the events. She was at Greenwich last weekend. Best
Jim, I have read about Grossman of coarse. Raced a Daytona at Sebring, I think the first Daytona to be raced. Forza recently had some good articles on this. The cannonball Daytona would be sweet! I should be subscribed now! Terry
Amazing how folks get so bent out of shape by "having" to read some post on F-chat. It reminds me of the old joke: Little old lady calls the police. The police arrive. Little old lady complains that the man next door is exposing himself repeatedly through his bedroom window. The cop walks over to the lady's window and says, "I can't see the man because of the tall hedge bushes." The little old lady says, "Well you can see him if you stand on this chair over here!" The point? Nobody has to read any post on F-chat. Don't go out of your way to read things that might upset you. Isn't that what the IGNORE function is for? Meanwhile, back to Daytonas.....
Jim, Small world. A buddy of mine who lives near you also passed on the Cannonball car. But he said that when he saw it, it had been ridden hard and put up wet. He passed because he prefers to buy original unmolested cars. Damn, I'm still ticked about missing this weekend...
Horsefly, finally a post you and I agree on! You are absolutely right. Here is a Daytona for you, since I know you like this sort of thing. Too bad it's sold, but you could probably make an offer to the new owner: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2481642135&sspagename=rvi%3A1%3A1
I dont get "upset" at internet chat boards. Bored is a better term. I do scan briefly through all posts on a thread if it has any interest to me because thats the only way to pick out the interesting parts. I do indeed scan yours extremely quickly, it usually takes only a second to see that there is nothing new there.... the same old envy driven class warefare tainted dribble, sometimes entertaining but usually just long winded. I dont use an ignore function unless its an extreme problem. After all, even provactive nutcases are frequently entertaining! I actually do agree with some of horseflys points relative to 0846.... does a small section of original chassis tubing justify a full identity to a lost car?????.....who knows??? BUT I honestly just dont care all that much. Having 0846 and its history "back" from the grave would be fun. I like fun. Whats the big deal? IT looks like a P4, sounds like a P4, will probably drive like a P4...... so if it ends up actually being a P4 what do I care? Anyhow horsefly... dont get your panties in a wad. I beleive the Cannonball Daytona is now owned by Bruce McCaw and has been restored to perfection. I saw some notes and pics of it in a magazine a few years back and the car was stunning. "Rode hard and put away wet" is only relative if the car has not been restored or maintained. Daytonas are strong cars. Dr Tax..... What I want to read is all about YOUR new Daytona! Come on man... pull the trigger! You only live once. Terry
Even though they're a pain, and handle worse I really like the look of wire wheels on them. They also look great in Black JMO. I remember the last one Alberto had at WWOC. He had trouble selling it (GTS) at list. I think someone traded in a 275GTB 4 in on it. (14K) At the top GTS's went for 1 million +. Strange thing markets. Big cars are once again bringing big $. Last week a major F car went for 12.8 million. (A Picasso went for 104.2 million)
A comp car is just that.... a comp car. They are going to be used, after all. I read that when they got it for cannonball it was they wrong color, gold IIRC. So ...."back it in here and hand me the Sunoco blue... would ya?" Hats off to those that save these cars. You have to have the "eye", along with the "checkbook". lol you should see the interior pic in Redondo Beach, full of candy bar wrappers and other trash!
I liked the comment they made on sponsor stickers, something like: "we put them on to give us some cred, heaven forbid we ask them for any actual money!" lol Sometimes my race season goes like that!
James , when you say " the last one Alberto had at WWOC. He had trouble selling it "..which car are you talking about ? A daytona comp ? And which Ferrari went for 12.8m $ ?? GTO ? 312 P ? P4 ? 335 S ? 375 F1 ?
and candy bars were bigger too! lol Tspringer, let me know how the Reoriginals stuff does. I'm going to order two interiors soon. Did you have to send your seat frames, door panels to them? They say they send them back to the original source to redo, but i'm wary it's Manual Labor's trim shop up the street! Let me know how you do. I've used them for trim, gaskets and weatherstripping.
Hey No a Daytona Spyder. I think list was 28K. Old race cars went for much less. 59? LeMans winning TR. Best
Sheehan's latest dispatch says activity is strong lately.......shame the USD is down so hard...makes it tough to reach worldwide.
Im not buying complete new seats, though they do sell those. My frames and cushions are in excellent shape, all I need is new seat covers. They do say they are made from the original dies in Italy. Its going to take 30 days to get them too me. The door panels are all new as well. I will have my excellent condition all black door panels for sale.... Terry
Hi, Terry: I found another Daytona article last week, went to the used book store and bought the old "Supercar Classics: Our Cars" supplement for 95 cents. It has four pages about Ian Fraser's car. After I mailed those last copies to you, did you try to add them to the disc?
Didn't they also take a Daytona over to Italy to compare with the then latest and greatest Ferrari the "new" 456? Seems the 456 had better brakes but the Daytona was more "fun in the 80 MPH sweepers" that the writers like to drone on about. They sure didn't talk about all the weight hung on the front of the 456 though...
I have not seen that one Milt. I have not actually scanned those other articles yet. Its on the ever growing "to do" list. I still owe a few folks copies of the disc as well so to all you folks.... they WILL come. I have a hard time seeing the 456 as even remotely comperable to the Daytona. I love my Daytona and would not even consider a 456. They are just totally different cars aimed at a totally different type of customer. Im not talking about when the Daytona was new, I mean today. The kind of guy today who wants a 456 is very unlikely to want a Daytona and the other way around is equally applicable. The 550 is much the same. One is a vintage, raw, loud and visceral experience that demands 100% of your attention.... the other is a totally competent, modern, luxurious, sophisticated computer controlled excercise in making a car blindingly fast and boring at the same time. Of coarse I may be a bit biased! Terry