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'81 308 GTS 3k rpm

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  1. bigdreamer

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    Whoa! The car is idling at 3000 rpm's in the driveway when I started it. The sound is loud and scary. Had to shut it after a few minutes. What is wrong and is there anything I can do? Should I continue to idle longer (6 mins) and let it settle down? Just had a service 7 mos ago.
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    The cold idle on a US 308i is (intentionally) set kind of high.

    Are you saying that this is a "new" or different behavior/problem? -- e.g., it goes to 3K RPM at warm restarts too?

    If it is high when "cold", does it go back to a "normal" idle when the water temp reaches an indicated ~160 deg F?
     
  3. spiderseeker

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    Check the floor mat ! (is it pushing on the gas pedal ?)
     
  4. miketuason

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    If it stays high even after warm up, a major vaccum line might have gone loose or broke. Same thing happen to mine I found the the vaccum hose going to the brake booster came loose it was sucking too much air, I reconnect and problem solve
     
  5. bigdreamer

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    Well, I just changed batteries and the weather is cold. It went to 2500+ before and now it hits 3000+. Where is the vacuum hose to the brake booster? How long should I idle before I turn off? High idle hurts the engine right?
     
  6. AWulff

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    #6 AWulff, Mar 4, 2007
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    I wanted to reduce the high RPM during cold start up. Reduced RPM from 1300 - 1400 to about 650 - 750 RPM. Make sure all you other vacume connections are good. Here is what worked for me. I re routed the vacume hose from the cold start air valve, bypassed the sensor (market with red X) direct to Plenum input. Keep the small hose you will remove for future owner.. Hope this helps..
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  7. Steve Magnusson

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    The "extra" air added into the intake during cold start up on your 308i comes from two sources -- the cold start air valve and the AAV. At lower temps, the AAV opens a bit more so the colder weather could explain the RPM increase.
    Over 3K RPM does seem a bit much -- the usual strategy is to either disable the cold start air valve (although I can't follow AWulff's rework suggestion since this would cause the cold start air valve to always be open), but this creates an over-rich cold-running condition because the injection system is adding extra fuel anticipating that the extra air is being added. The better solution IMO is to add an orifice restriction in the air line that passes thru the cold start air valve so to reduce the cold start RPM to the 1.8K~2.2K range (which will still run over-rich when cold but not as much) -- e.g., plug the cold start valve air line with a short section of wooden dowel and then drill a small hole in the center of the plug -- enlarge the hole until the desired RPM is reached when cold.

    Not quite sure what you're asking here, but the way the system should work is:

    Cold
    thermoswitch in coolant tank = open
    which leaves the electrovalve de-energized
    which allows the vacuum from the intake plenum to reach the cold start air valve mechanism
    which opens the cold start air valve

    Warm (when the coolant temp gets to 150~160 deg F)
    thermoswitch in coolant tank = closed
    which energizes the electrovalve
    which blocks the vacuum from the the intake plenum from reaching the cold start air valve mechanism
    which closes the cold start air valve

    If you still have a high idle when warm (and it isn't the carpet ;)), just unplug the small vacuum line from the cold start air valve (and block the line with your finger so extra air doesn't enter the intake) and see if this drops the idle speed.
     
  8. bigdreamer

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    Would adjusting the idle screw be another option?
     
  9. smg2

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    Yes and No, the idle screw will adjust for metered air, any vacuum leak will be unmetered air and will cause a lean condition. Once you have plugged any and all vacuum leaks then you can adjust the idle with the screws. the WSM has a very good 'guide' on how to adjust the idle correctly.

    most people have disconnected the bypass for the cold start, there are two in actuality, one is as described by 91tr and the other is part of CIS system and works similar, and is in line with the AAV. confused yet?
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

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    No -- the idle air bypass screw would affect both cold-running and warm-running -- i.e., closing the idle air bypass screw to lower the cold-running idle RPM would also lower the warm-running RPM.
     
  11. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Ferrari did that for emission reasons, at least according to R&T back in 82 who mentioned that cold fast idle thing in a test article. They were concerned about it too but were assured by Ferrari that it was perfectly normal.
     
  12. bigdreamer

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    As stated in the R&T 3/81 article: "However a somewhat frightening side effect of the engine's new emission controls is its 2500 rm cold idle. Ferrari says its high to meet smog control standards and assures us there's nothing to fear".

    Ok well, started the car in warmer 58 degree weather and it would start at 2k for about 30 secs and slowly revs up to 3100. Stays there for about 2 minutes and suddenly drops back to 1100 rpms. If it is the cold start valve, any pics from what 91tr suggested would be appreciated.
     
  13. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I was pretty close. I was guessing R&T and guessing 82 also.
     

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