Anyone know this car? http://www.shannons.com.au/pages/auctions/lot.jsp?id=DF8FKAA78B23489B# If there is anyone going to Shannon's, I would really appreciate someone having a good look if they are viewing the Auction because it's chassis number falls in the range of the first 40 glass cars.......and this car is steel. Inquiring minds want to know! Regards, Carl.
It's a UK car too, dry sump.. QV wheels? No plug hole seals either, so don't expect to drive it home with a sweet engine!! Price range estimate seems ok, if it's an ok car. I maintain a near identical car... UK dry sump steel GTB #23683, with QV wheels, but this isn't it........ thought it was at first though.
Well, I say the car isn't OK, that car must be glass if it has the original chassis number or it's been fitted with a later body, simple as that! Regards, Carl
Carl I saw this car the other day.What exactly do you want to know about it?I will more than likely look at it tomorrow if you are after some more specific information.I maintain the building A/C at Shannons and I usually go there once or twice a month.When I was there last this particular car was undergoing an NRMA inspection.They also have a Mondial I believe that was passed in last March
The pics of the car look tidy,until you look at the engine bay pic. And also the Vin plate. Could there be more hidden issues with this car?
Hi my Australian Chums... The 308GTB register http://www.308gtb.de/ has question marks next to this car, it is the only one with such question marks. So maybe there is a story behind it. "19367 308 GTB (Vetroresina???) Euro RHD 1976 red black AUS"
Well, some overlap on glass vs. steel production, but I agree that would be a very low VIN to be steel! That's most likely the question mark...you just cannot ever say "not so" on these cars. Note also the rear airfoil...the only early 308GTBs to have those were prototypes and show cars...although easy enough to add later, to personal taste. The dry sump makes it a desirable car IMO, after of course the usual: condition condition condition
I went and had a look at the car again today.It is apparently one of the first steel bodied dry sump cars made.It came from Sth Africa 7 years ago( I think the owner has owned it for 10 years).Cam covers look like they have been painted silver.It has had some work done on the brake booster and master cylinder,clutch cable and new exhaust but as far as I can tell there are no books and no original tool kit.It has average paint,the odd touch up scratch here and there, bonnet doesn't line up perfectly,leather and interior are about 7/10 no visible cracks or tears,speedo reads 29571 miles(or 129571 given the wear on the accelerator pedal)wheels are metric 165 TR 390(and in need of repaint) with michelins,front windscreen is delaminating in the usual areas drivers side bottom and top corner.NRMA inspection report hasn't come back yet but the car is probably worth $45-50k depending on a PPI.I think I was offered this car about 4 years ago.I've taken various pics of the car if anyone wants them PM me your email address
To put this issue to bed, and remember this CANNOT be a steel car under any circumstances with that number because the first steel car was #20805. So, this car is either a rebody or has a false ID. Is all the car steel, what about the front section??? Maybe its had a tap up the bum and the rear section has been replaced with a steel rear clip, unlikely but possible. If someone can have a look at the car please can you check the engine number. This is located between the "V" just behind the water pump. Additionally, on the left hand upper chassis rail is stamped the assembly number. This really is a give away because most people don't know about it. This is a sequence applied to each car as it is completed and runs roughly in sequence with the chassis number. It's also written in chalk behind each door trim, behind the dash on the firewall and stamped on the two chrome striker plates on the trailing edge of the doors. Also, check the top of the steering column just to make sure. For example, my car which is close in chassis # is 19329, assembly number AU26 and engine number 01608. I would expect that car to have all three numbers that are marginally higher than mine. The other way to do it would be to apply for a heritage certificate from the factory.....now that would be interesting. I wonder if that this car is a later chassis number but has assumed the ID of an earlier destroyed Australian car to reduce import duties when its come in from SA. Just a thought..... Thanks for any information! Regards, Carl.
Hi Maurice, Thanks for having a look, sorry I didn't have a chance to post what I wrote above till now though! Regards, Carl.
I will check with my F Mech as he might know this car as well because like I said I remember being offered it(if it's the same car) a few years ago and was told that it was a dry sumped steel body
Yeh, I'm the new owner. It needs some work (don't they all), but generally sound. It's a bit of a conundrum 'cos it's steel bodied, May '76 build chassis no. 19367. All records show cars were all glass prior to chasis no. 19881. Does anyone know when the twin cable release of the forward end of the rear deck was introduced?
hi guys heres what I heard, it sold at the last shannons auction a few months ago. The s/n has a ???? mark on it when u check out the register. I was told that it might be the first car to have had a steel body as a prototype by ferrari. i know of two big ferrari owner/dealers that looked at it last time round but didnt take the chance, hoping it was a factory one off. If it was factory steel body by ferrari it would make this car a very rare piece. But at this stage its a lot of heresay and no one seems to get any closer to the truth. I wonder if Ferrari can shed some light on it. Andrew
in this thread: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73963 thecarreaper says he has (at the time) 20433, which is a steel 308 that is also earlier than the offical Ferrari history of 20805. Interested to hear what you find out Bob.
If record keeping at Ferrari is like any other place I have done work for (and I suspect it is), I wouldn't even bother trying to work this out. If it's steel, it's steel Anyway, are the sub frames for glass and steel the same?
I've emailed the factory (in Italian, written by a friend !) and asked for the factory Build Sheet. That might throw some light on it. It's certainly steel unless some bastard has invented magnetic fibre-glass! Carl says it CANNOT be a steel car, are you a gambling man Carl? Also go to www.308gtb.de and you'll find there were 34 STEEL cars prior to 20805. I have a Heritage Certificate, but this makes no reference to the body material. And yes if it's steel it's steel ! ! Best of all the comments. Bob.
The factory no longer provide Build Sheets but offer Car Certification as an alternative, [email protected] at a cost of Eu500 ('round 850 bucks). Does anyone know just what sort of info you get for that?
I know the 500 Euro is only the 'entry fee'. Have you tried the heritage certificate, thats free isnt it?
Holy ****, serves me right for not reading the small print ! Don't think I'll bother at this point, rather spend the money on the car. Got a Heritage Cert. with it, but they give no reference to body material.
Hi Bob, Since we are in Melbourne, I'd love to have a closer look at it sometime if you like. All glass cars had the twin cable release for the rear deck BTW. The trick to the cars history will be the engine no and transmission no and particularly the assembly no. If you are feeling enthusiastic, the assembly number should be written in crayon on the inside of the door trims, stamped the inside of chrome trims on the trailing edge of the doors and on the underside of the dash on the right of the fusebox. This number should then match the stamping on top of the bracket that supports the coils. From this, we can work out the rough chassis number sequence of where the car should fall. Regards, Carl.
Isn't this car a dry sump? Assembly no. will be on the oil cooler support bracket... Also, inside headlamp pod lids/front covers (easy to get off) Come on Jonesy, thought you knew your nerdy stuff......
Is it? Oh, sorry, can't recall seeing a pic of the engine bay. But yes, the oil cooler bracket is what to look for on a DS car. Regards, Carl.
